Saiga rifles and large capacity feeding devices

[Kilgor]

I like Saiga's .308 rifle as is and do not wish to convert it to US parts by adding a pistol grip, etc.

It comes with an 8 round magazine.

FBMG sells a 20 round magazine.

I can not find anywhere, any legal language that prohibits insertion of a high capacity feeding device into a foriegn-made rifle.


So can anyone point me to something saying that I cannot use a FBMG 20 round magazine in an unconverted Saiga .308?

Thanks.

 

[scurtis_34471]

As far as I know its fine. I bought two 30-round mags for my VEPR, which takes the same mags as Saigas.

 

[craig]

you might want to check saiga forum. i know the new fbmg mags count as 3 compliance parts, but i put a tapco piston in my 308 to be sure. i'm getting a u.s. made stock for it too, that way i know i'm safe.

 

[MD_Willington]

You need 10 or less foreign parts, I call each US part a BATFE Browney point...

A complte Mag is 3 parts... IIRC you only need 2 more parts on the Saiga to have 10 or less foreign parts...

 

[Kilgor]

Please show me where I am required to make it a "US made" firearm in order to use a 20 round magazine if you would. Links are prefered.

I see "uses detachable magazines" and not more than 1 other evil feature to keep it from being a assault rifle and thus unimportable due to the sporting clause.

The only reference to magazine capacity that I can find is in the defunct 1994 AWB.

 

[MD_Willington]

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/building_a_firearm.pdf

Bottom of page 1 and continues from there...

Further, an acceptably redesigned semiautomatic copy of nonsporting firearm must be limited to
using less than 10 of the imported parts listed in 27 CFR § 478.39(c). Otherwise, it is considered
to be assembled into a nonsporting configuration per the provisions of 18 U.S.C. 925(d)(3) and is
thus a violation of § 922(r).

Saiga is imported under the "Sporting" clause.. it's a load of POOP since the second says nothing about keep and bare "SPORTING" arms...

...but these are the rules .GOV sets forth. I have never heard of someone being busted over 922r parts compliance, but why be the first guy that starts paving the road to hell for everyone else?

 

[Kilgor]

Nonsporting features include: the ability to accept detachable magazines, folding/telescoping stocks, separate pistol grips, bayonette lugs, night sights, bipods, and grenade launchers.

The rifle is an assault weapon if it has the ability to accept detachable magazines AND 2 or more of those evil features.

I find nothing that addresses magazine capacity except the defunct 1994 AWB.

Can anyone show me federal law restricting magazine capacity?

 

[Kilgor]

Anyone?

 

[busy_squirrel]

WWW.FORUM.SAIGA-12.COM

The batfe hasn't yet ruled on that configuration of that weapon, but if they did rule according to pattern it WOULD BE non-sporting and imported which is a no-no. Just get rid of 4 of the 14 parts on the 922 list and you'll never hafta worry.



EDIT: The new mags are three US parts I believe, but it only replaces 2 that are on the list. Only two pieces left to replace...

 

[MD_Willington]

busy squirrel, you now need to post the picture of the big ape waving the Saiga's.. LOL

 

[TallPine]

So if you just stick in the mag and take it right back out again is it still okay ???

Or is it a separate offense for each time you insert the mag ...?

Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Kilgor]

U. S. Code Title 18 Chapter 44 Section 922(r) amended April 6, 1998 says that "it is illegal to assemble any semiautomatic rifle which has the ability to accept a large capacity military magazine" with more than 10 imported parts.

My thought is that the FBMG magazine is not a military magazine and thus it is perfectly legal to use.



FBMG,

Please do not sell your magazines to a miltary.

Thanks!

Kilgor

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Um, high cap mags are perfectly legal in a Saiga.

 

[security6]

My thought is that the FBMG magazine is not a military magazine and thus it is perfectly legal to use.

A court might think that a "military magazine" is any magazine that accepts military rounds (e.g. 5.56, .308, etc.).

You're probably fine since they don't seem to enforce 922 anyway, but you might not be in strict compliance since "military magazine" could have different meanings.

 

[WeedWhacker]

Ah, the Land of the Free, the Home of the Brave.

How liberating it is to live as a free law-abiding citizen!

'Cause we all know how well laws work at controlling criminals...

 

[busy_squirrel]

you now need to post the picture of the big ape waving the Saiga's.

Which pic?

 

[busy_squirrel]

OH! You mean THIS pic...