Sandbagging when Shooting a Friends Gun?

[SharpsDressedMan]

Does anyone sandbag when being offered to shoot another guy's gun? It has always been an opportunity for me to "best" my shooting buddies by trying to outshoot them with their gun when the opportunity presents itself. They try to do the same with me. Great sport; we never sandbag. What do the rest of you do? I guess it would be polite to sandbag, and never shoot the gun better than the owner, but, hey, that would be boring.............

 

[bigalexe]

Why would you ever sandbag... because you are more considerate than me.

I always give 100% when offered to shoot other people's guns.

 

[hogshead]

Never sandbag always empty the gun.Then when they say, do you know how much those bullets cost. Just call them tight.

 

[forindooruseonly]

Never even crossed my mind. I don't think anyone I know does it either. I've been shown exactly what my guns can do in more capable hands several times. Never bothered me a bit either.

 

[Golderpuff]

I would be pffended if you did not try to shoot as good as you could with my gun. What did the gun ever do to you that you got to mess up it's shot?
Na I never sandbag and like I said I would consider it disrespectful if someone did it to me.

 

[Nushif]

I always ask how many rounds I have and then go for fun. Ze wife says it isn't nice to shoot a gun better than the owner, but no owner has ever been anything less than very pleasant.

 

[MrWesson]

Ive done it before.. older guy with a race gun shooting at a indoor range.

I was watching him shoot(gun drew attention) and noticed he was having some trouble. We started talking and I complimented his gun and he offered for me to shoot it.

I aimed at different points of the target to get a feel for accuracy but didn't try to group them in the bullseye. I just didn't feel like it would be respectful to "show off".

If he was younger I wouldn't have held back

 

[M2 Carbine]

I always shoot the best I can and I expect others to do the same.


I did kid my young student when she outshot her father and me on this rocking target.
"You know, it's considered impolite to outshoot a man with his own gun".

I just didn't feel like it would be respectful to "show off".

I'm 73 and I'd consider that an insult if anyone ever tried to do that to me.




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[Arkansas Paul]

My guns are trained. I'd be mad if someone taught them bad habits like not hitting the bull.

 

[Uteridge]

I always shoot as well as I can. I love teaching pistol ranges for the Marine Corps specifically because there are always two or three students who complain that something is wrong with their pistol because it won't group. Usually gets followed with me shooting an excellent group and handing it back to them with a snide comment. On the civilian range I do the same just minus the snide comment.

 

[JoeMal]

Never, I always shoot my best. If I shoot better than you, with your own gun, you need to practice

 

[M2 Carbine]

complain that something is wrong with their pistol because it won't group.

I'm helping a lady with her shooting. She has a American Tactical C92 (BTW a excellent gun, I have one). The lady shoots the 9mm pretty well.

Last week her brother shot the gun and put all the shots low/left, a few inches out of the little bullseye.
He then started getting on his sister that her gun shot poorly.

I said to her, "I don't think I've shot your AT (I had) let me try a magazine".
I emptied the magazine in the bull and handed the gun back to the lady.

The brother shut up.

 

[Manco]

Whether I'm the owner or the borrower and whether my shooting is better or worse, it's a great opportunity to learn about a variety of things, so no, I'd never deliberately shoot below my level of ability. Truly showing off takes more than just good shooting anyway, it takes a certain attitude, and in the bad cases is couched in such a way as to discourage or embarrass the other, which is obviously not productive. Don't do the latter (unless you have a good reason to ), just try to find out what you can do with the gun.

 

[Nushif]

Truly showing off takes more than just good shooting anyway, it takes a certain attitude, and in the bad cases is couched in such a way as to discourage or embarrass the other,

This!

I was shooting some other guy's shotgun at some hand thrown skeet one time and after popping a couple targets and making him googly-eyed I handed it back to him:
"That's a sweeeeet! gun, dude. what is it?"

Walking off in silence or snide remarks ... that's kinda hygiene-producty. 90% of all interaction is based on how we interact, not the words we say. Which makes me wonder an awful lot at some of the folks posting people just don't like them, even though they say the right words at the range, or give good advice and constantly get it rbuffed, at the range.

 

[Uteridge]

Snide comments are part of training in the Marine Corps...it makes people try harder and focus more on the instruction they are being given. Note the way that Clint Smith teaches.

 

[BADUNAME37]

It all depends why the reason I am shooting someone's gun in the first place. If they think something is jamming and I notice them holding it the wrong way, I may ask if they mind a tip or two. Then I take it from there. Most people who are newby's don't mind someone showing them how to hold, how to eject, etc.

Other than being helpful with someone at the range, I would really have no reason at all to shoot someone's gun. I have offered people to shoot my guns, and over the years, perhaps nine times out of ten they did and were happy. In the past, I typically had some nice guns that most people only ever saw in a magazine (like when the 454 Casull came out, I had one).

The first time I took a friend to shoot my Casull, we stacked up some 8x8 jacking blocks and shot through three or four of them and the bullet kept going past the blocks, making a long line in the field. My friend looked at me and said "WHAT IS THAT THING??" I proceeded to allow him to shoot it all he wanted!

 

[Nushif]

Snide comments are part of training in the Marine Corps...it makes people try harder and focus more on the instruction they are being given. Note the way that Clint Smith teaches.

Pretty sure on a Corps run range you don't get to swap guns with your buddy either.
There is a very, very big difference between swapping guns at the local range or gravel pit and teaching someone who voluntarily signed up for the Corps during a training event.

I know it's a distinction lost on some ... but there is more than one reason to handle a firearm.

 

[Smaug]

It seems like it doesn't occur to most of us to sandbag when shooting others' guns. Lots of times, I'm trying out someone else's gun at the range just for the experience. I want to know a) How good the gun is, and b) How well I can shoot it.

What's funny is that I usually shoot others' guns better than my own, and vice versa. Is it that I know I only have a very limited time with this gun, so I know I must do my best? I think so.

 

[Uteridge]

Always shoot the best you can.

 

[Nushif]

So, the *only* reason you would *ever* shoot someone else's gun is to fix an issue?

Because that is what I saw, with the snideity (new word!) removed..

"I always shoot as well as I can. I love teaching pistol ranges because there are always two or three students who complain that something is wrong with their pistol because it won't group. Usually gets followed with me shooting an excellent group and handing it back to them."

I simply edited out the Corps specific and snideity (still my word!) and this is what I got. Since you do seem to teach... how exactly does the more "chill" crowd or even the more "sensible" crowd take to your shooting style? (What I mean by this is the crowd that feels they have half a brain and don't need to be yelled at for no reason.)
I am genuinely interested here, because the leadership and training style I tend to default to when training in a military setting is the relaxed and "quiet professional" style. This works on people I deal with, who are usually either very junior or low end O-types.
Why do you train and which leadership style do you use? And how effective would you measure it being?

I know this may be a bit hijacky (again, new word) but I do feel that showing the differences in range behavior and the people one is dealign with can help in the discussion of this topic. We do have to define some parameters here, I feel.

 

[oldbear]

Dear God please one day let me shoot well enough to have to worry about sandbagging, with friends or anyone else for that matter.

 

[Zerodefect]

Not a good idea.

When all my shots are low coming out of my $2000+ 1911. It's nice to be able to hand it to a friend and see him hit bullseye repeatedly. Otherwise I'd be buying sights right now.

 

[hey_poolboy]

NEVER sandbag! If I shoot a friends gun i try my best to out-shoot him.
Once had a friend that just got his XD9 back from Springfield. He was shooting it all over the place, but mostly a little low. He offered to have another friend shoot and try it out. He was about the same. I was the last one. Concentrated as well as I could on the fundamentals and put a whole mag just to the left of the bull in a hole about 2". Handed it back to him and told him it was the trigger nut that was the problem.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

labsolutely not! Its a good way for both people to improve or there is a problem with the "trigger nut" ^^^ HA HA.

 

[earlthegoat2]

I tend to sandbag everytime I shoot because I tend to rush things.