Sandy hook parents to sue Bushmaster

[HRnightmare]

Then how about blaming the crazy little turd that committed the heinous act? No, they only want to blame deep pockets.

Can't really make a profit by suing a dead guy. I am not saying I agree with my opinion but why aren't they suing the mother for recklessly leaving these firearms within access of her son who she knew was unstable?

Probably because school teacher pockets are puddle deep and major and insured manufacturer's pockets are large river deep.

 

[Brin]

They are not suing Lanza’s mother because that crazy little turd Adam killed her too.:banghead:

 

[P5 Guy]

If no one had mined the ore and no one had sent that ore to the smelter...

Sue the school board for not providing proper security for Sandy Hook Elementary

 

[LT.Diver]

Makes about as much sense as suing Boeing over 9/11

 

[HorseSoldier]

Sue the school board for not providing proper security for Sandy Hook Elementary

This seems more viable, in terms of liability, but as has already been noted, I suspect the pockets are not deep enough.

Plus, I'm willing to buy the idea that some portion of the plaintiffs (and maybe even the lawyers) have some idealistic belief that winning versus the firearms industry will be the domino falling the prevents all future mass shootings or some similar dippy, oversimplified and child like narrative that only works in Hollywood.

 

[fanchisimo]

Can't really make a profit by suing a dead guy.

Not true. You can sue a deceased person's estate a la Jesse Ventura suing Chris Kyle's estate. While this won't be the case since I doubt Lanza's mother had near as much money to go after.

 

[Billy Shears]

Families of Newtown Victims Sue Maker and Seller of Rifle

HARTFORD, CT - CBS NEWS - The families of nine of the 26 people killed and a teacher wounded two years ago at the Sandy Hook Elementary School filed a lawsuit against the manufacturer, distributor and seller of the rifle used in the shooting.

The negligence and wrongful death lawsuit, filed in Bridgeport Superior Court and released on Monday, asserts that the Bushmaster AR-15 rifle should not have been sold publicly because it was designed for military use and is unsuited for hunting or home defense.http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2014/12/15/hartford-ct-families-of-newtown-victims-sue-maker-and-seller-of-rifle.html

It seems to me this suit should be thrown out on the basis of the plaintiffs showing a clear lack of understanding of the second amendment, but, of course, that won't happen. Hopefully, if the judge is inclined to rule in the plaintiffs' favor, the suit won't withstand appeal.

 

[Agsalaska]

The liberal Antis are playing on the emotions of people whos lives were destroyed in a tragedy. I cant imagine what they are going thru but I can see how a smooth talking lawyer or politician could talk an emotionally distraught parent to commit to something illogical. That's what has happened here. I still, unlike the op, feel terrible for the families and it is absolutely ridiculous to despise them(and not a very THR comment I might add.) I despise the attorneys and other groups that are taking advantage of the circumstances.

 

[HexHead]

The liberal Antis are playing on the emotions of people whos lives were destroyed in a tragedy. I cant imagine what they are going thru but I can see how a smooth talking lawyer or politician could talk an emotionally distraught parent to commit to something illogical. That's what has happened here. I still, unlike the op, feel terrible for the families and it is absolutely ridiculous to despise them(and not a very THR comment I might add.) I despise the attorneys and other groups that are taking advantage of the circumstances.

And I hope all the attorneys rot in hell for their actions. I have no pity for the parents either, for allowing themselves to be paraded around after the massacre or for this.

 

[Bruno2]

I hope Bushy takes the fight to them! I bet they settle though

 

[Midwest]

Sue the school board for not providing proper security for Sandy Hook Elementary

This is where (in my opinion) the lawsuit should be directed to.

And why were the records sealed if that is how it really happened? Why hide the details? What is there to hide? Don't release the photos, just the records. Sealing records and clamping down on information is the kind of stuff that bred all those 'conspiracy theories'. There should be full transparency.

That is all I have to say on the matter...
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[Gtscotty]

I wonder if they expect to loose and this is the first salvo in a campaign to repeal the PLCAA.

Mike

That is a logical, if unsettling thought... As for their assertion that the weapon that was sold could not be entrusted to civilians, I would think that bushmaster could bring up the FBI stats on the number of homicides involving a rifle each year (~ 5% of those involving handguns, and usually fewer than those involving blunt objects.) Also, they could determine a rough estimate of how many AR-15's are out there, and what percentage have been used in a crime of any kind. I would think it would be hard to argue that a certain gun can't be entrusted to the public when only .001% of that weapon in existence have been used illegally.

 

[yokel]

In D.C. v. Heller Justice Scalia writes that “when able-bodied men of a nation are trained in arms and organized, they are better able to resist tyranny.” Maj. Op. at 25

Justice Antonin Scalia’s majority opinion in Heller revisits that "ideal of a citizens' militia" theme in reviewing efforts by George III's government to disarm American colonists (pg. 21). Discussing the ancient origins of the right, Scalia notes that "the Stuart Kings Charles II and James II succeeded in using select militias loyal to them to suppress political dissidents, in part by disarming their opponents" (pg. 19).

The so-called "assault weapon" is selected for prohibition because gun-control and confiscation proponents claim that it is a "weapon of war" and "designed for military use and is unsuited for hunting or home defense". This claim, if true, amounts to an admission that they actually lie at the core of the Second Amendment!

 

[SleazyRider]

Co-defendants?

According to NBC News, here's a list of stuff in the Lanza "arsenal," which makes me wonder if Bushmaster will be the sole defendant.

Interesting that “Look me in the Eye: My Life with Asperger’s;” “Born on a Blue Day: Inside the Mind of an Autistic Savant;” and “Train Your Brain to Get Happy,” shared the same bookshelf with “NRA Guide to Basics of Pistol Shooting” at the Lanza home.

At the school:

1 Bushmaster .223 caliber model XM15 rifle with a 30-round magazine

1 Glock 10mm handgun

1 9mm Sig Sauer P226 handgun

1 Saiga 12 shotgun with two magazines containing 70 rounds

6 30-round magazines, three of them emptied

At the home:

Guns:

1 Enfield bolt-action .323 rifle

1 Savage Mark II .22 caliber rifle with magazine, 3 live rounds, 1 spent cartridge

1 black marksman BB gun

Ammunition:

5 Winchester 12-gauge shotgun shells cut open, with buckshot

1 white plastic bag with 30 Winchester 12-gauge shotgun shells

1 can with .22 caliber and .45 caliber bullets

8 boxes of Winchester Windcat .22 caliber bullets, 50 rounds per box

20 "Estate" 12-gauge shotgun shells

4 boxes of SB buckshot 12-gauge, 10 round per box

1 box of Lightfield 12-gauge slugs

1 box of 20 Prvi Partizan 303 British rifle cartridges

1 box of 20 Federal 303 British rifle cartridges

2 boxes of .22 long rifle Blazer rounds, 50 each box

1 box with numerous rounds of Winchester .45 caliber bullets

2 boxes of 50 rounds of PPU .45 caliber automatic

1 box of 20 rounds for Remington .223 caliber

3 boxes of Blazer 40 S&W, 50 rounds each

2 boxes of Winchester 5.56 mm, 20 rounds each

1 box of Magtech 45ACP with 30 rounds

1 empty Box of SSA 5.56 mm

1 box of Fiocchi .45 auto with 48 rounds

80 rounds of CCI .22 long rifle

6 boxes of PMC .223 rem, 20 rounds each

6 Winchester 9 pellet buckshot shells, 12-gauge

2 Remington 12-gauge slugs

3 Winchester .223 rifle rounds

31 .22 caliber rounds

2 boxes of Underwood 10 mm auto, each with 50 rounds

130 rounds of Lawman 9mm Luger

2 spent shell casings for Glock 10mm

1 empty box of Gold Dot 9mm Luger

2 empty boxes of Winchester 9mm Luger

1 box of Underwood 10mm auto with 34 rounds

1 box of 29 miscellaneous 9mm rounds

1 spent .22 shell casing

1 small plastic bag containing numerous .22 caliber bullets

1 tan bag with numerous Blazer .45 caliber bullets

1 box of Blazer .22 long rifle with 50 rounds

1 box PPU 303 British cartridges with 9 rounds

2 Winchester 9mm rounds

2 brass-colored shell casings

1 small caliber bullet (live round) labeled C

Magazines:

1 Promag 20-round 12-gauge drum magazine

1 MD Arms 20-round 12 gauge drum magazine

3 AGP Arms 12-gauge shotgun magazines

1 Surefire GunMag magazine with 8 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge, 9-pellet buckshot

2 AGP Arms 12-gauge shotgun magazines, taped together, each with 10 rounds of Winchester 9-pellet buckshot

2 empty Ram Line magazines for Ruger 10-22

1 AGP Arms Gen 2 12-gauge shotgun magazine with 10 rounds of Winchester 12-gauge, 9-pellet buckshot

1 clear plastic Ramline magazine for an AR 15

1 magazine with 10 rounds of .223 bullets

Knives:

Metal bayonet

1 6-foot-10-inch wood-handled two-sided pole with a blade on one side and a spear on the other

1 Samurai sword with a 28-inch blade and sheath

1 Samurai sword with a 21-inch blade and a sheath

1 Samurai sword with a 13-inch blade and sheath

1 knife with a 12-inch blade and sheath

1 wooden-handle knife with a 7.5-inch blade and sheath

1 wooden-handle knife with a 10-inch blade

1 knife with a 5.5-inch blade and sheath

1 black-handled knife with a 7-inch blade and sheath

1 black rubber-handled knife with 9.5-inch blade and sheath

1 white and brown-handled knife with 5-inch blade and sheath

1 brown wood-handled knife with a 10.25-inch blade

1 Panther brown-handled folding knife with a 3.75 inch blade

1 small blue folding knife

Gear:

1 Volcanic .22 starter pistol wth 5 live rounds and 1 expended round

Leightning L3 ear protection

Peltor ear plugs

Simmons binoculars

Uncle Mike's Sidekick nylon holster

Box for vest accessories

Leather dual magazine holder

Black leather handgun holster

High Sierra fanny pack

Numerous paper targets

1 cardboard targets

1 Bushnell sport view rifle scope

Plastic bag of miscellaneous parts

Safariland holster paperwork

Glock handgun manual

MD-20 20-round shotgun magazine manual

MD Arms V-Plug guide

Bushmaster XM15 and C15 instruction manual

Savage Arms bolt-action rifle manual

Glock paperwork

Miscellaneous:

Adam Lanza's National Rifle Association certificate

Nancy Lanza's NRA certificate

Three photographs with images of what appears to be a deceased human covered with plastic and what appears to be blood

Holiday card with a check from Nancy Lanza to Adam Lanza for purchase of C183 firearm

1 digital print of a child and various firearms

1 military-style uniform

Handwritten notes with addresses of local gun shops

Receipts and emails documenting firearm and ammunition supplies

Blue folder labeled “guns” with receipts and paperwork

Paperwork titled "Connecticut Gun Exchange Glock 20SF 10mm" dated 12-21-11

Sandy Hook report card for Adam Lanza

New York Times article on a 2008 shooting at Northern Illinois Unversity

Books: “Look me in the Eye: My Life with Asperger’s;” “Born on a Blue Day: Inside the Mind of an Autistic Savant;” “NRA Guide to Basics of Pistol Shooting;” “Train Your Brain to Get Happy”

1 Seagate Barracuda 500gb hard drive, damaged

1 custom-built desktop computer, no hard drive

1 Microsoft Xbox with partially obliterated serial number

One cotton swab of blood-like substance

1 tan sheet with blood-like substance

1 tan fitted sheet with blood-like substance

1 striped towel with blood-like substance

 

[Lycidas Janwor]

SleazyRider really should post a link to the above post.

 

[Red Wind]

Here is the link.

Search warrants and other documents released by prosecutors show that shooter Adam Lanza fired 154 bullets from his rifle in less than five minutes. NBC News' Michael Isikoff has more.

 

[SilentStalker]

So, I guess all auto manufacturers will be sued next for anytime any of their cars were involved in something where someone got hurt or used their products for wrongdoings? Wow. This is stupid. How can the manufacturer be held responsible for what someone does with their product?

 

[SleazyRider]

SleazyRider really should post a link to the above post.

My apologies.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...nd-gear-adam-lanzas-arsenal-item-by-item?lite

 

[stonecutter2]

Some of the comments here are asking rational questions or posing rational solutions. The folks on the other side are not rational but totally emotional so there is never going to be effective communication on these issues. Soon to retire U.S. Representative Carolyn McCarthy ran and was elected to office on the issue of gun control. She was able to successfully get re-elected for 8 additional terms in Congress. Her husband was killed and her son wounded by a racist psychopath Colin Ferguson on a NYC commuter train, who had a gun that he acquired illegally and used unlawfully. None of the laws that Rep. McCarthy pushed for would have done anything to stop the man who killed her husband. But she steadfastly attacked gun ownership and gun manufacturers during her entire tenure in Congress, and never would consider the reality that had NY allowed concealed carry, and had her husband or others on that commuter train that day been armed there was a very good chance that her husband would not be dead today. Her emotional fear and hatred of guns obliterated any rational concern or consideration. This is what we face with the anti-gun crowd. What we must do is not to give in to emotional and irrational demands.

Losing a loved one suddenly and horrifically can understandably make people emotional and irrational.

 

[donato]

Don't see how the case wouldn't be dismissed. The responsibility for what happen at Sandy Hook lies entirely/absolutely with the mother of Adam Lanza. She bought the guns, facilitated his learning how to use them and then, knowing that he was leaving reality behind, gave him access to the combination of the gun safe. She did pay the ultimate price for her actions; however, that still does not relieve her of the the absolute responsibility for what happened.

 

[barnbwt]

Cowboy said it perhaps too strongly, but the only liability there can be in violent attack is aggression and to a lesser extent negligence. Sorry, but parents who tolerated an indefensible environment for their children to learn in do carry some small amount of blame. What little there is to bear, it is more than the blame of stores or manufacturers, who merely provided a product that worked as advertised. I am certain many if not most of those parents feel the same, and think gun control is their best route to moral redemption.

But their misguided, imaginary mission has real world impact on me and others, and therefore I have no sympathy. It has been two years we have politely indulged their attempts to 'rend the clothes' of others in their grief stricken fury. How long is long enough before we can justifiably see these folks as either opportunistic or completely delusional. They have abused our sympathy far too much, already.

 

[Averageman]

The only winner is the one who will send the bill to these Parents for the hours he worked to lose this case.
Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

 

[wingman]

Blame belongs on the back of the shooter, his parents and last the school who will not supply guards because they wish to put money elsewhere. For me primary blame goes to parents who do not act when they are aware of such illness but rather isolate the child and act as if nothing is wrong.

Like it or not when you have a child responsibility last until 21 and older if the
child is ill.

 

[steelerdude99]

The only winner is the one who will send the bill to these Parents for the hours he worked to lose this case.
Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

I fully agree counter-sue. So, if the crime perpetrated by an individual(s) was bad enough, just throw PLCAA out the window? ... And the sad part is there is a law ON THE BOOKS that specifically addresses this type of suit from gaining traction. Does the law stop the suit? Apparently not... If there is enough payout, then attacking PLCAA is the route they'll take.

Was the Bushmaster used at Sandyhook legal to sell per both federal and state law? If yes, then PLCAA protects the manufacturer and downstream suppliers.

chuck

 

[DeepSouth]

In clarity my original statement was "The sad thing is for a very long time I had nothing but sympathy for those people, now that's entirely gone. I just despise them and wish they'd leave me and you alone. I do pity them a little because apparently they're too ignorant to realize their being used and exploited. Still, I just wish they'd go crawl under a rock. I mean really, suing bushmaster will fix what exactly? Idiots."

I have been rebuked for that statement a few times in this thread, and probably rightly so. That was a statement I made in haste right after learning of the idiotic lawsuit, I was angry but I was also honest. I have also been slow to withdraw the comment because in many ways I was just truthful. Then I read barnbwt's comment....

But their misguided, imaginary mission has real world impact on me and others, and therefore I have no sympathy. It has been two years we have politely indulged their attempts to 'rend the clothes' of others in their grief stricken fury. How long is long enough before we can justifiably see these folks as either opportunistic or completely delusional. They have abused our sympathy far too much, already.

That last sentence sums up exactly what I feel, "They have abused our sympathy far too much, already"
The fact is I have sympathy for them, but at this point it is irrelevant. I hope they lose the suite and wake up to the fact that they are being abused and exploited, and it if they already know it and are just money hungry that's a whole differnt story.