Santa Fe Police Department looking into hiring Mexican nationals

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Anyone who thinks there is no American nation or culture is a fool, and there is no fool like an "educated" fool.
There is American culture (pop culture), undoubtedly. And we may have become a true nation after World War II - but we remain highly regionalized.

How many southerners continue to fly the rebel flag out of 'pride'? How much shared history and culture is there between New Hampshire and Utah, aside from the fact that they are beholden to the same federal government?
 
I hope this is a joke, but seeing HPD officers who can barely speak English tell me it ain't. Having worked with these types in federal agencies...it's a damn shame. Just keep in mind, most of these so called legal resident aliens came upon that by illegally entering or overstaying their welcome, so where is that crime held against them, whereas a similarly qualified American citizen is penalized or disqualified on some b.s. offense, (p.i., bounced check, speeding tickets, kicked their dog in public, fighting, etc.) I try not to get into this subject, but it's hard to ignore at times.
 
End this crappy War On Drugs (at least, those that aren't mandated) and crime will drop like Shrub's ratings. Then we can go back to small police departments which don't resemble Nazi Sturmtruppen... which is exactly what we have now.
 
So it is fine to have foreign nationals fight and die for this country overseas, but God forbid that they be able to serve as a police officer and have the power to arrest you if you do something wrong? Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.

It has been my experience that the majority of those who legally came into this country go onto become better citizens than so many that are born here. Why is that? Most often it is because they realize how much better this country is than where they came from.

What most ofthe posters here do not seem to take into account is that there is a difference between a legal immigrant and an illegal one. To make an analogy that you may be able to relate with, it is the same difference as a criminal with a gun, and a legal gunowner. One obeys the law, the other doesn't. It actually takes work to come to this country leaglly. Those who go through that process are usually extremely frustrated by those who circumvent that same process.

I am assuming here that Santa Fe will not be lowering their standards as far as background checks. If they cannot determine which applicants are here legally, and those who came here illegally, well then they have far worse problems than who they are hiring.
 
Are you okay with them becoming law enforcement AFTER they become citizens?

If so, what exactly do you see as having happened in the interim that somehow changes them?

Using that logic, we should hire recovering addicts to wage the glorious war
on people who use drugs since they are the ones that know all about them and are now reformed right?

Dude, once again, if you don't see the problem hiring FOREIGN nationals to police my country, foreigners from a country where the government gives out pamphlets on how to illegally enter my country and take advantage of the services that my tax dollars provide. Foreigners who have marched and demand to be treated as citizens even though they are here illegally. Foreigners who shoot at the Border Patrol and come across the border as a military unit, many of which advocate the taking of U.S. land by any means available, to include violence. Foreigners who have little understanding of the protection of civil rights afforded us here in the USA. You want these people to keep me safe from harm and to protect my civil rights?


Whatever cfreezer, you can argue for the sake of arguing but it's not gonna be with me.
 
So it is fine to have foreign nationals fight and die for this country overseas, but God forbid that they be able to serve as a police officer and have the power to arrest you if you do something wrong? Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.


Only if I ever said it was ok which I never did. I personally think the whole war on terrorism is just another boogieman behind the door much as the Russians were during the cold war. We have been constantly at war with one thing or another since before ww1, got to keep the military industrial complex rolling ya know.
 
Only if I ever said it was ok which I never did. I personally think the whole war on terrorism is just another boogieman behind the door much as the Russians were during the cold war. We have been constantly at war with one thing or another since before ww1, got to keep the military industrial complex rolling ya know.

So you have final say on a precedent that has been in place over 200 years? Your views on the current use of the military is a red herring and has nothing to do with the discussion. Heck, it used to be that military service guaranteed citzenship.

Using that logic, we should hire recovering addicts to wage the glorious war on people who use drugs since they are the ones that know all about them and are now reformed right?

Your logic fails yet again, you are comparing apples to oranges. On one hand you are comparing someone who has committed felonies to a law abiding individual on the other hand. Just because someone had the misfortune to be born outside this country does not make them a criminal. If they followed the laws to gain entry into this country, they are still not criminals. You are still not distinguishing between legal aliens, and illegal aliens. Illegal aliens are just that, illegal. They should not be allowed to stay in this country as they are law breakers from the start. Those who are legal aliens on the other hand, are law abiding, contributing members of the community. That is more than can be said for so many so called "citizens".
 
Nice try, you called me a hypocrite, I merely stated that I wasn't, as I personally don't think it right to use anyone other than citizens to fight our battles.

As far as legal or illegal aliens, I know the difference, and I don't think either should be policeing citizens in a country foreign to them.

I will admit that the NA people was a stretch, however using foreign nationals from a country that is at least mildy anti US is not a good idea any way you care to put it. I don't care if they are from Canada or GB, if they ain't citizens, they shopuld have no powers over citizens.
 
So it is fine to have foreign nationals fight and die for this country overseas, but God forbid that they be able to serve as a police officer and have the power to arrest you if you do something wrong?
Hypocritical by whom?

I am sure that at least some people like Myself that feel a foreigner not only not be able to have power to arrest in this country, but also not fight in our military as well.
 
Using that logic, we should hire recovering addicts to wage the glorious war on people who use drugs since they are the ones that know all about them and are now reformed right?

???

Lost me, sorry.

Dude, once again, if you don't see the problem hiring FOREIGN nationals to police my country, foreigners from a country where the government gives out pamphlets on how to illegally enter my country and take advantage of the services that my tax dollars provide. Foreigners who have marched and demand to be treated as citizens even though they are here illegally. Foreigners who shoot at the Border Patrol and come across the border as a military unit, many of which advocate the taking of U.S. land by any means available, to include violence. Foreigners who have little understanding of the protection of civil rights afforded us here in the USA. You want these people to keep me safe from harm and to protect my civil rights?

Foreigners who are here legally. Foreigners who have been granted legal status to live and work in this country by our government by way of an exhaustive immigration process.

Beyond this, Americans commit crime; some of it pretty serious and involving shooting. Some of them advocate treason. A few of are even ignorant of the law and Civil Rights. Police departments continue to hire Americans nonetheless.

And yes, I do see a problem with the whole scenario. However I see a larger problem with lowering recruitment standards to admit individuals with known criminal histories, drug histories, prior gang affiliation, etc.

Whatever cfreezer, you can argue for the sake of arguing but it's not gonna be with me.

Okie dokie.
 
I think its a great boon to the US Law Enforcement community. Afterall Mexico is known for its world renown law enforcement, it only makes sense to hire Mexicans as cops here in the US as crime has all but been eliminated in Mexico...

Anyone know if the SF PD does poly testing? Perhaps they could hire US citizens if they dropped scientifically rejected screening practices.

Somehow I doubt its a polygraph test keeping Americans from applying for the job of being a cop in Santa Fe. I would be willing to bet that both the pay and the working enviroment suck.
 
MudCamper

I think if you use the search function you will find L&P is a place where non-gun related issues can be discussed with certain limitations:

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BTW: referring to others on this forum as bigots and ordering them off the forum is not very THR-ish of you. I find it offensive. Be glad I'm not a Mod.

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decides to hire Mexicans from Mexico

Are Mexicans from somewhere else?:D

So it is fine to have foreign nationals fight and die for this country overseas, but God forbid that they be able to serve as a police officer and have the power to arrest you if you do something wrong? Sounds pretty hypocritical to me.
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I have served with some of these foreign nationals that are legally in the US military and most of them were the bravest at times when SHTF. Most of them had to go thru hell to do this legally. I have no problem trusting my life to any of these guys. So we can send them to the meat grinder to fight for this country yet not give them a job here? after all law enforcement is a job right? Its not like were giving them congress or the legislature where they can take your liberties away?

If you think we have no Mexican or Latino influenced politicians as of now you haven't been reading a newspaper lately.:rolleyes:


This thread has nothing to do with firearms. It smacks of bigotry to me.
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Not everything that says Mexico or Latino = illegal

If you want to live in a country not influenced by different races maybe we should of left Hitler in Charge and see were it would of went from there.

United States = Diversity of People

And no I Have no Mexican descend or ties but if I did so what?
 
I moved here in July last year, it has a lot going for it, but also a lot of problems.

The SFPD has been understaffed for a good while, citing the difficulting finding qualified candidates in general and having to compete with the larger juristictions that pay better in particular (e.g. Albuquerque, Bernilillo Co). SF is a small city of approximately 68K pop (about 147K in the county).

Part of the problem is that "The City Different" is very liberal and pretty affluent, with a good-sized gap between the 'haves' and the 'have nots'. There isn't much of a middle class here, you're either well-off or struggling. There are a lot of affluent utopian moombats who have enacted a 'living wage' (IIRC it's $8.50/hr), but you really can't live on that in SF - the median price of a home here is $346,125, rents are similarly high, sales tax is 7.625%. The liberal/lefties here have all kinds of utopian/egalitarin schemes, none of which really work very well, but it has spawned an undercalss with a sense of entitlement.

Then there's the available talent - the SF high schools only graduate about 85%, and academic standards are very low (the public schools here suck). Throw in the hispanic equivalent of the eastern urban hip-hop culture, and a lot of the 'talent' has a criminal record by the time they graduate. There are a lot of genuinely stupid, clueless, and irresponsible people running around NM.

NM is also a very corrupt state. Having lived in Chicago, NYC, and Boston, I know democratic machine politics, and NM can hang in there with any of the biggies. Evem after 25+ years in the DC area I was impresssed with the political shenanigans here.

Bottomline, though, I don't think much will come of it. It was just some political hack trying to demonstrate their 'out of the box' progressive thinking(?) while the moonbats are screaming for someone to do something!. It's the state capitol, and talk is cheap becasue the supply far exceeds the demand, and the minions easily mistake motion for action.
 
is not very THR-ish of you

This entire thread (and another just like it right now in L&P) are not very THR. That was my point. THR is usually a refreshing place to come discuss firearms issues, becuase usually, unlike most other firearms forums/communities, THR isn't a bastion of right-wing hate mongering.
 
MudCamper

unlike most other firearms forums/communities, THR isn't a bastion of right-wing hate mongering

You know I've been in some pretty exciting discussions here on THR but in my just-over-10X-the-number-of-posts-you-have, in not one of them was I felt compelled to refer to another THRer as a bigot or hate monger, right or left wing.

I sense a lot of anger in your comments but I think it's underpinned by a genuine desire on your part to stifle discussion you have problems with.

So which are we, bigots or right-wing hate mongers or both?

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I sense a lot of anger in your comments but I think it's underpinned by a genuine desire on your part to stifle discussion you have problems with.

So which are we, bigots or right-wing hate mongers or both?

I'm with MudCamper. I don't believe this subject has a thing to do with firearms, and I think its repeated rehashing harms the cause of 2A supporters in the long run.

And there are in fact some bigots present on this forum. Hate-mongers as well. At least that's my present interpretation. Perhaps once I hit 1000+ posts I will have better clarity.
 
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