shootstraight57
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Looking for a breech bolt on a Savage model 1899 30-30. Can I use a .300 or .303 breech bolt?
SAVAGE MODEL 1899 BREECH BOLT
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Col. Harrumph
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You don't say which model of 99 (there were several). Once you've settled that one, go to gunpartscorp.com, search under 'manufacturers' for savage/stevens/fox rifles, and scroll way down for the '99 rifle series'. Pick out the appropriate schematic and look for the part number corresponding to your bolt. If the details don't specify a caliber, they'll all interchange.
Kp321
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I think the breechbolt will interchange extractor will need to be changed.
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shootstraight57
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I am sorry but forgot to put in model 1899E 30-30.. Numrich arms has the breech bolt but after looking at them they are different from the one I have. They don't show an extractor on the breech bolt.
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shootstraight57
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I am sorry I meant retractor and it doesn't show it on your schematic.
Col. Harrumph
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OK then let's try again. First, as I've said elsewhere on THR, I'm an internet expert (believe me 
). I've never had the bolt assembly on my own 99EG apart but after studying the parts diagram i came to the following conclusions:
First, although part 47 is called the hammer, the 99 action lacks a hammer in the usual sense; it is striker-fired. When cocked, the striker (47) draws back the firing pin (46) which is fixed to the striker by pin 48; and spring 45, being captured by the firing pin, is compressed. At its rear, 47 simply slides back and forth inside bushing 44. When the sear releases it, the hammer/firing pin assembly is driven forward by spring 45. This much is obvious from the drawing.
Without taking measurements I'm left to surmise that when spring 45 is relaxed the whole 47+45+46 assembly is slightly shorter than the bolt body, so is free to slide back and forth as a unit for a short distance. Spring 44A, the retractor spring, bears against the inside of 47's 'L' to push the assembly back that short distance; it holds the assembly to the rear and so clears the firing pin from the fired primer.
So the reason you can't find a 'retractor' in the parts drawing is because there isn't one. That little spring 44A does it all.
). I've never had the bolt assembly on my own 99EG apart but after studying the parts diagram i came to the following conclusions:
First, although part 47 is called the hammer, the 99 action lacks a hammer in the usual sense; it is striker-fired. When cocked, the striker (47) draws back the firing pin (46) which is fixed to the striker by pin 48; and spring 45, being captured by the firing pin, is compressed. At its rear, 47 simply slides back and forth inside bushing 44. When the sear releases it, the hammer/firing pin assembly is driven forward by spring 45. This much is obvious from the drawing.
Without taking measurements I'm left to surmise that when spring 45 is relaxed the whole 47+45+46 assembly is slightly shorter than the bolt body, so is free to slide back and forth as a unit for a short distance. Spring 44A, the retractor spring, bears against the inside of 47's 'L' to push the assembly back that short distance; it holds the assembly to the rear and so clears the firing pin from the fired primer.
So the reason you can't find a 'retractor' in the parts drawing is because there isn't one. That little spring 44A does it all.
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shootstraight57
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This bolt is from my Savage 1899 E. Your schematic doesn't show the retractor. I looked at all the schematics of other Savage models in Numerich and none show this.
Col. Harrumph
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Oh you have an 1899E, not a 99E. You only told me that two or three times, apparently that wasn't enough.
Yeah, Numrich/gunpartscorp doesn't seem to cover that one. Remind me (us) please, what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve? Do you have a bolt missing its retractor, or do you need a complete 1899 bolt, or what?
Yeah, Numrich/gunpartscorp doesn't seem to cover that one. Remind me (us) please, what exactly is the problem you're trying to solve? Do you have a bolt missing its retractor, or do you need a complete 1899 bolt, or what?
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shootstraight57
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I need a complete breech bolt. I bought the rifle at auction minus a breech bolt. I would like to bring it back to it's original beauty. The breech bolt pictured is from a friends rifle. Oddly they were the same model and pretty close with the serial numbers.
Col. Harrumph
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Well I just spent a good 20 minutes searching for that part and no joy. As I see it you have these options, none of which guarantees success:
Set up a recurring search on the auction sites (gunbroker, ebay, etc.). Look for a complete bolt or a stripped bolt and then for the missing bits. You may wait months, or years. -or-
If your rifle is just a gun, and has no emotional value to you (as a family heirloom would), break it down and sell its parts. Use the proceeds to buy a complete rifle. Numrich may be willing to buy your gun as is. -or-
Buy another 1899 and cannibalize it. Part out the rest. -and-
Contact the usual parts houses and ask. Not everything they have is always in their online catalog.
Or swipe your friend's....
Set up a recurring search on the auction sites (gunbroker, ebay, etc.). Look for a complete bolt or a stripped bolt and then for the missing bits. You may wait months, or years. -or-
If your rifle is just a gun, and has no emotional value to you (as a family heirloom would), break it down and sell its parts. Use the proceeds to buy a complete rifle. Numrich may be willing to buy your gun as is. -or-
Buy another 1899 and cannibalize it. Part out the rest. -and-
Contact the usual parts houses and ask. Not everything they have is always in their online catalog.
Or swipe your friend's....
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shootstraight57
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Thanks for the effort and I tried all the usual parts stores. Will try to find parts like you said but who knows? Maybe I will get lucky in the future.
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Assuming that you find a bolt, how do you intend to set headspace?
Sav .250
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You might try the …..24hourcampfire.com forum.
Click on the …..Savage collectors section.
Follow your nose from there.
Looks like Col Harrumph has done some home work for you.
The folks at the above mentioned forum are extremely knowledgeable on any and all matters concerning the "99.'
No doubt in my mind you will be schooled.
Click on the …..Savage collectors section.
Follow your nose from there.
Looks like Col Harrumph has done some home work for you.
The folks at the above mentioned forum are extremely knowledgeable on any and all matters concerning the "99.'
No doubt in my mind you will be schooled.
Kp321
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You said you tried the normal parts people. Did you try Lee’s in Irving, Texas? He is open Tuesday -Thursday only, by phone. He has come through for me many times when others have not had what I was looking for. Nice guy too.
Col. Harrumph
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To the OP's original question: which 1899 bolts will interchange with .30-30? According to chuckhawks.com (I have no more authoritative reference available... wish I had an old Savage catalog), the 1899 was offered in .303 Savage, .25-35, .30-30, .32-40 and .38-55.
Comparing rim diameters and thicknesses (in inches) according to the noted references:
.25-35 - 0.506, 0.063 (SAAMI)
.30-30 - 0.506, 0.063 (SAAMI)
.303 Sav - 0.505, 0.063 (Wikipedia)
.32-40 - 0.506, 0.063 (Wikipedia)
.38-55 - 0.506, 0.063 (SAAMI)
If Wikipedia is correct and assuming Savage back then could see into the future for SAAMI, it looks like any ol' 1899 bolt should work for the OP.
Comparing rim diameters and thicknesses (in inches) according to the noted references:
.25-35 - 0.506, 0.063 (SAAMI)
.30-30 - 0.506, 0.063 (SAAMI)
.303 Sav - 0.505, 0.063 (Wikipedia)
.32-40 - 0.506, 0.063 (Wikipedia)
.38-55 - 0.506, 0.063 (SAAMI)
If Wikipedia is correct and assuming Savage back then could see into the future for SAAMI, it looks like any ol' 1899 bolt should work for the OP.
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