Savage MSR not listed anymore?
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horsemen61
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Probably wasn’t a great seller
The entire series? All models? That seems improbable.
CoalCrackerAl
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I never heard of the MSR until now. Guess the AR market is flooded with different brands. And Savage wasn't holding their own. I used to like Coors arctic ice beer. Bud ice was out selling it. So Coors dropped it. Myself i feel some sales is better than no sales.
Well, I have watched the ebb and flow of the gun industry for a few years (like 55 years). Things do come and go. What has been the norm when I paid attention is for a line to dribble off and die. The Savage model 99 is a case in point. That series grew until there was a number of different versions in a number of different calibers. After many many years, the 99 became less and less popular and more expensive to produce, so versions of it started disappearing. Finally, there was just one version and then it was gone.
Savage has a high reputation for quality rifles. So, a few years ago (2017), Savage decided to get into the AR game. Why not? It's the most popular type of sporting arm in the nation. Maybe the world next to the AK. Anyway, they started producing the MSR 10 and MSR 15 at that point. Each year, they added versions. This continued to happen, apparently, through 2021. There had to have been enough popularity to justify a dozen versions in the first place. Then suddenly, the entire series, MSR-10/15, ends? All versions? At once? No cutting out the versions that weren't selling and pushing the versions that were? I guess that is not impossible, but...............
I am wondering if the anti-assault rifle movement had anything to do with it?
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Lack of demand is one reason. Savage may just be jumping the gun on the House's vote to ban assault weapons too. If that bill gets much farther, I think we will be seeing ARs and MSRs disappear off a lot more websites.
mgmorden
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How many different ways can you dress up an AR? That market is so flooded I don't blame them. Most people's first thought when it came to buying an AR certainly wasn't Savage.
My thoughts are leaning that way too. Question is, are we just going to sit around and watch and go "oh well".
mgmorden
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That was more or less a ceremonial vote only. Its going nowhere in the Senate. The Dems would need to gain several Senate seats in the upcoming midterms to pass it.
Really? Savage has a HIGH rep in long range shooting competions. You wouldn't look at them go, "hmmmm, Savage makes some really fine rifles. Maybe, the most accurate guns right out of the box ever. I think I'll give their new MSR a shot."
Serioulsy, when Savage decides to try something, I tend to notice and think about it. Heck, Savage Arms and Sturm Ruger are the last great American rifle manufacturers.
We can't afford to get complacent. Remember the reason the bill, HR 1808, skated through the house because a couple of Republicans went turncoat. That can happen elsewhere.
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There were a lot of people on this very board that said it wasn't going to pass the House. It did. Same folks are saying it won't pass the Senate. Hell it was a Texas Republican Senator (Cornyn) who was the main R negotiator of the last gun control bill. You can believe it won't pass the Senate if you want. I do not have the same faith in politicians who give the 2A lip service like Cornyn, Rubio, and Scott.
CapnMac
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Their focus was more on AR-10 sized frames (and calibers), and sales (let alone distribution) were not that great over the last 5-6 years.
So, the events of last Thursday are probably less an impetus to their catalog change (from back in February or March--so it was likely decided last Fall in the Boardroom) than the realities of a saturated market.
mgmorden
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Trust me I wasn't one saying it won't pass the House
. The House has no filibuster and the Dems have a straight up majority there. Even a vote along party lines they can pass anything they want (and you still had 5 Democrats voting against it there).In the Senate you'd have to have full Democrat support for the bill PLUS 10 Republican Senators. It ain't gonna happen. The Senate already took up a gun control bill earlier in the year and about all they could negotiate was expanded funding for red flag laws.
Under THIS Senate this bill is dead. I'll bet my forum membership on it
. Now if the midterms go badly all bets are off, but it won't pass this time. Complacency happens at the polls. You're not changing anyone's mind who's already in office, but trust me there's not enough support for it to pass right now. Just make sure you vote in November to keep it that way.
illinoisburt
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I tend to agree unless we have another disaster at a school in the next month as classes resume. These things are very much driven by short bursts of media attention and especially so when an election is in full swing.
marksman13
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The AR market is flooded and Savage was never a major player. I’m not surprised they dropped that line to focus on something else.
R.W.Dale
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This is not unlike 15 years ago where everyone and their dog was adding a 1911 to their offerings because that was the hot gun fad at the time. Now a lot of those have fallen by the wayside.
The AR market has collapsed. Probably 3/4 of iall used gun listings I view can be best summarized as "I paid way too much for this thing" can I please please get something for it!
The AR is such a well sorted easy to make properly platform that name recognition and advertising dollars really carries no weight in the market and people are perfectly content with mixmaster self builds or second tier didn't exist 10 years ago brands
The AR market has collapsed. Probably 3/4 of iall used gun listings I view can be best summarized as "I paid way too much for this thing" can I please please get something for it!
The AR is such a well sorted easy to make properly platform that name recognition and advertising dollars really carries no weight in the market and people are perfectly content with mixmaster self builds or second tier didn't exist 10 years ago brands
stanley_white
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I bought one.
At my first range outing with 7.62x51 bulk purchase ammo it shot 1.5” at 200 yards (yes, 200 yards).
Then the gas system worked itself loose.
Savage repaired it and then I sold it immediately as accuracy doesn’t matter if reliability isn’t there.
Now I own a Wyndham Weaponry SRC-308 — an AR by a company that only makes ARs.
Never again shall I buy Item X from a company whose amazing reputation is based on making Item Y.
-Stan
At my first range outing with 7.62x51 bulk purchase ammo it shot 1.5” at 200 yards (yes, 200 yards).
Then the gas system worked itself loose.
Savage repaired it and then I sold it immediately as accuracy doesn’t matter if reliability isn’t there.
Now I own a Wyndham Weaponry SRC-308 — an AR by a company that only makes ARs.
Never again shall I buy Item X from a company whose amazing reputation is based on making Item Y.
-Stan
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Zerodefect
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No .308 AR10's for a reasonable price anywhere in Ohio, it seems.
Yes, since the MSR series was dropped from the 2022 catalog, that decision had to have been made in 2021 sometime. That makes sense. Whether it was all sales or not, I don't know. I always suspect gun control threats are supplying pressure in cases like this. The last few years have been disturbing for Savage, that is for sure. They aren't that big of a company to begin with. They survived the sale in 2019 and the pandemic lockdowns that followed. I guess we should feel lucky they didn't go the way of Remington.
I am interested in how it happened in such a quiet, unoticed, fashion. 2022 is half gone and I have seen no news of this, no blurb in gun rags, etc. I was wondering if it was just me since I have been distracted by other things for quite a while. The only reason I noticed was on was on the Savage site looking for some other info.
Trust me I wasn't one saying it won't pass the House
In the Senate you'd have to have full Democrat support for the bill PLUS 10 Republican Senators. It ain't gonna happen. The Senate already took up a gun control bill earlier in the year and about all they could negotiate was expanded funding for red flag laws.
Under THIS Senate this bill is dead. I'll bet my forum membership on it
Complacency happens at the polls. You're not changing anyone's mind who's already in office, but trust me there's not enough support for it to pass right now. Just make sure you vote in November to keep it that way.
Trust me I wasn't one saying it won't pass the House
In the Senate you'd have to have full Democrat support for the bill PLUS 10 Republican Senators. It ain't gonna happen. The Senate already took up a gun control bill earlier in the year and about all they could negotiate was expanded funding for red flag laws.
Under THIS Senate this bill is dead. I'll bet my forum membership on it
Complacency happens at the polls. You're not changing anyone's mind who's already in office, but trust me there's not enough support for it to pass right now. Just make sure you vote in November to keep it that way.
I would love to trust you, but since I don't know you, I will hedge my bets if you don't mind. I live in a blue state, so I know how these things to. Obviously, you can't trust some Republicans when the chips are down either.
You may be right. I am not a big AR guy, but I have thought about building one out in my garage just for the heck of it. What stops me is I have also noticed that you start pondering all of the options and you are down 3000 bucks before you know it.
I never thought an AR10 was reasonable anywhere as far as price. Too expensive and too big.
I'm a HUGE Savage fan boy. However, them dropping the MSR line wouldn't surprise me at all. It just didn't make much sense. You could get an excellent AR from an already established brand for a fraction of the price. As big of a Savage fan as I am, I looked at the MSR and wondered why anyone would buy it.
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