younganddumb
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dak0ta pick your top3 of the ones listed and start from scratch couse this thread is now an argument over a 350 and 360 which i like my ford 351 best
Savage vs. Tikka for Out-of-the-Box Accuracy
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Toten Kopf
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I like all the rifles mentioned, however, I was fortunate to buy a Tikka 565, that was before the T-3 came out. I use it mostly for P-Dog shooting.
I use Hornady .308, 110gr. V-Max for distances up to 300 yds. and .308, Sierra 155gr. Palma Match for distances beyond 300 yds. My best P-Dog shot was 647 yds. You will notice that I said my best, not the most distant.
While not a bench rest rifle it does shoot well. I base accuracy on 10 shot groups, not 3 shot or 5 shot. To me, if the rifle is well made it should hold accuracy reguardless of the rounds fired as my Tikka does.
Below are a couple of pictures, as for the target, well, the rifle has shot smaller groups but I just don't have any pictures of them, sorry.
I use Hornady .308, 110gr. V-Max for distances up to 300 yds. and .308, Sierra 155gr. Palma Match for distances beyond 300 yds. My best P-Dog shot was 647 yds. You will notice that I said my best, not the most distant.
While not a bench rest rifle it does shoot well. I base accuracy on 10 shot groups, not 3 shot or 5 shot. To me, if the rifle is well made it should hold accuracy reguardless of the rounds fired as my Tikka does.
Below are a couple of pictures, as for the target, well, the rifle has shot smaller groups but I just don't have any pictures of them, sorry.
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Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow
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This just in:
http://www.fieldandstream.com/article_gallery.jsp?ID=1000022230
"Eleven Most Accurate Factory Rifles of 2007-2008"
1. Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA
2. T/C Icon
3. Savage 14
4. Kenny-Jarrett-modifed Remington 700
5. Sako A7
6. Browning X-bolt
7. Marlin XL-7
8. Mossberg 464 (levergun!)
9. S&W I-bolt
10. Rem 700 LSS
11. Winchester 70 sporter deluxe
The Sub-MOA Vanguard they tested turned in:
Best Group: .117"
Average Group: .398"
So the rifle shoots, on average, TWICE AS GOOD as advertised - Sub-ONE-HALF-MOA - impressive.
http://www.fieldandstream.com/article_gallery.jsp?ID=1000022230
"Eleven Most Accurate Factory Rifles of 2007-2008"
1. Weatherby Vanguard Sub-MOA
2. T/C Icon
3. Savage 14
4. Kenny-Jarrett-modifed Remington 700
5. Sako A7
6. Browning X-bolt
7. Marlin XL-7
8. Mossberg 464 (levergun!)
9. S&W I-bolt
10. Rem 700 LSS
11. Winchester 70 sporter deluxe
The Sub-MOA Vanguard they tested turned in:
Best Group: .117"
Average Group: .398"
So the rifle shoots, on average, TWICE AS GOOD as advertised - Sub-ONE-HALF-MOA - impressive.
The reason benchrest matches are timed events is because barrel heat is a factor of accuracy. The laws of physics-the effect of heat on steel affects all guns even the most accurate guns in the world. That said, some guns are affected far less than others. Sounds like you got a great one. Avoiding heat and shooting groups of large numbers quickly will maintain the throat longer in any barrel regardless of accuracy. This is partially why bench guns are frequently rebarreled because they are shooting high volumes quickly which is the kiss of death to barrel/throat life.
I'm surprised Tikka wasn't on the Field & Stream list since they are so common now. I've shot some Vanguard/Howas and was really impressed with the accuracy. So their findings don't surprise me. It's not uncommon for sporter weight Howas to touch bullets @100.
atblis
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Actually, that's about how those Master Sporter models always shoot.
younganddumb
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dak0ta did you list a price range?
Toten Kopf
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I guess the reason for the 10 shot groups is that I'm a highpower rifle competitor. Having a rifle that will hold accuracy for 10 shots in 60/70 seconds is an absolute.
R.W.Dale
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remember if you feel up to it there's the "Accuracy Challenge" match. Shoot some groups and give those tikkas a chance against everyone else
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=375454
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=375454
R.W.Dale
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I've owned five! None of them shot any better than OK 1.5 to 2 moa. Never did I shoot a group with one I would call great by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm sorry to hear that. I've owned 2 and loaded for 2 others for hunting buddies. They were all excellent shooters just like the Vanguard's. Vanguards are basically the same guns and they are know to have excellent accuracy. Perhaps it's not the gun?
R.W.Dale
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It was the guns. I've had NO problems getting well under MOA performance from other rifles
Todd1700
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First, and this is sad to say, I would trust the word of a nazi lesbian hooker with links to the mafia before I would trust the word of the average gun rag writer these days. They have become nothing but shills for the companies that advertise in their magazines.
Second how can they proclaim these guns the 11 most accurate when these are the only guns they tested?
Third I will bet you dollars to donuts that a Tikka T-3 straight out of the box will best most of that list. And even implying that a Marlin XL-7 or a Mossberg 464 are among the 11 most accurate firearms currently being made is a blasphemy great enough to warrent God in hurling at least one lightening bolt at your @$$.
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R.W.Dale
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They always had a habit of being the neatest rifles for the right price when I had money.
One was a 6.5x55 nuff said
one was a sporter 22-250 in a beautifully finished walnut thumbhole stock
another was a 300wby for $275
then a couple varmint barreled models
After selling the 6.5x55 I remember reading that they were discontinued due to some across the board accuracy issue. I don't recall what it was
R.W.Dale
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anyone smell the hypocrisy......Smells like burnt chicken
younganddumb
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the reason the kenny-jarret was in there was to show how an original tack-driver farred up the gun is from 1996 its just to see were it landed and i happen to own that issue of field and stream and it does not say most accurate rifles of 07-08 just my 0.02 though
Float Pilot
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So you've met my ex... eh?
R.W.Dale
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SHOOT IN THE MATCH
it's stickied at the top of the rifle country page
Krochus
I'm think the match will have guns that are atypical for their brands. For instance I've owned and shot several Savages none of which shot anywhere near as good as yours. It would be a mistake to post your groups and allow people to believe that's what they'll likely bring home from the gun shop. My point is the match will not be an accurate gauge for what one can expect from any brand. It will likely not tell us the most accurate factory gun because of a HUGE variability in quality control inside the brands themselves. Only the unusually good shooting rifles and their best groups will be posted.
The Field & Stream test wasn't a great test either since they tested only 1 example of each brand.
I'm think the match will have guns that are atypical for their brands. For instance I've owned and shot several Savages none of which shot anywhere near as good as yours. It would be a mistake to post your groups and allow people to believe that's what they'll likely bring home from the gun shop. My point is the match will not be an accurate gauge for what one can expect from any brand. It will likely not tell us the most accurate factory gun because of a HUGE variability in quality control inside the brands themselves. Only the unusually good shooting rifles and their best groups will be posted.
The Field & Stream test wasn't a great test either since they tested only 1 example of each brand.
R.W.Dale
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Then don't shoot in it! But don't complain when tikka finishes last cause their owners didn't participate cause were too afraid of being outdone.
it's not really meant to be, that's why it's called the extreme accuracy challenge
I really doubt that, it's a fun match people will want to participate, And when it's all said and done anyone interested could go back through the results and compare just the models they are interested in such as the rem 710's vs Stevens200's even the K-31 and Swedish Mauser guys could have it out
But this only works if people actually shoot in it.
it's not really meant to be, that's why it's called the extreme accuracy challenge
I really doubt that, it's a fun match people will want to participate, And when it's all said and done anyone interested could go back through the results and compare just the models they are interested in such as the rem 710's vs Stevens200's even the K-31 and Swedish Mauser guys could have it out
But this only works if people actually shoot in it.
I don't have a problem with the match itself. You sir suggested the match when someone asked about compiling a top 10 list. They are 2 different things. I don't even own a Tikka to shoot in the match. I don't see too many Tikka's being outdone in my clubs Hunter class benchrest matches. Guess how many Stevens?...........crickets.
Then why did you suggest someone should shoot in it when the idea of compiling our own top 10 came up? I think most people would like to see typical results when compiling a top 10. Not a bunch of rifles that are well above average for their brand.
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Excellent points, all.
You guys are a hootenanny.
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