Say no to the magazine ban!

[Deanimator]

They already did that. It was a movie called "Fail Safe" with Henry Fonda, Larry Hagman, Walter Matthau, and Dan O'Herlihy. O'Herlihy had to bomb NYC while his wife and kids were there.

1. It's a movie.
2. Swalwell doesn't want to avoid a nuclear war. He just wants to vaporize millions of people so that you can't defend yourself from a home invader.

 

[JERRY]

the anti's win by attrition. look at NY, CT, Ca, NJ, Ha, make something illegal and wait until somebody uses it lawfully then charge them with a felony and take the rest. make a magazine holding more than 7 rounds or 10 rounds illegal and people will either hide them or use them and go to jail. either way the antis win. grandfathered items go to the state because once the owner dies they cannot be passed down to family members or transferred/sold to someone else. all this is possible by people sitting around gunshops talking about burying their guns and other apathetic ideas instead of fighting regain the rights they've already lost.

 

[AlexanderA]

Swalwell doesn't want to avoid a nuclear war. He just wants to vaporize millions of people

Swalwell's proposals were bad enough. We don't have to give credence to something (nukes) that was just hyperbole anyway. Taking something like that seriously lessens our own credibility.

But, Swalwell is out of the running. What's truly alarming is that so many other candidates have taken up his call for confiscation. I never thought this would happen, given that the Democrats need to win states in the Rust Belt and Sun Belt that have large numbers of gun owners. What is going on here? All I can think of is that their internal polling is showing that they can write off these rural, working-class gun owners in exchange for gaining suburban soccer moms.

Here in Virginia, for the upcoming legislative elections that are only 2 months away, the Democrats are running 100% on gun control. And they only need one more seat in each house of the legislature to control the state completely (they already have the governorship). The prospect for gun ownership in Virginia is so bad that I'm thinking seriously of leaving the state (or at least moving some of my guns out of the state).

 

[AlexanderA]

the anti's win by attrition

If by "attrition" you mean "gradually," I think we'll see the pace pick up dramatically in the next 2 years. And we have no strategy to counter this, except for stonewalling. This is the time to take the initiative, and to control the terms of the debate. I fear we're going to lose by default, if the present trend continues.

 

[Tommygunn]

They already did that. It was a movie called "Fail Safe" with Henry Fonda, Larry Hagman, Walter Matthau, and Dan O'Herlihy. O'Herlihy had to bomb NYC while his wife and kids were there.

It was a MOVIE. A great movie, but ONLY a movie. In addition the circumstances were different: at that point the only way the president could avoid all out nuclear war was causing as much horror and carnage in America as the errant jet bomber had done to the Soviet Union.

 

[tommy.duncan]

Done!!

 

[Deanimator]

Swalwell's proposals were bad enough. We don't have to give credence to something (nukes) that was just hyperbole anyway. Taking something like that seriously lessens our own credibility.

I listen to what supporters of racially invidious gun controls say and take them at their word, and I'M lessening MY credibility? In what alternate universe?

There's this country to the east of Poland. It was under the boot of another country to the east of Poland. The leader of that second country decided he was going to take the land from all of the farmers and turn them into low wage serfs. When those farmers decided they'd rather kill their livestock and hide their grain, this former bank robber decided he'd punish them by confiscating ALL of their food and starving millions of them to death. A famous writer at the New York Times called it "hyperbole". This "hyperbole" so depopulated the country that for years the census was classified to conceal catastrophic NEGATIVE population growth.

I've read about a war hero who wrote a book full of crazy stuff. People were told to ignore that stuff, that it was all "hyperbole". He went on to become chancellor of an important Central European country. He kept saying those crazy things, but the world was told again to ignore all of that stuff because it was "hyperbole". Then he started a war and millions of Jews started disappearing. A mass of information came flooding out that those missing Jews were disappearing into mass graves and crematoria. Again, the world was told that these claims were "hyperbole".

You've made a CONVINCING argument against "red flag" laws, since somebody threatening to shoot up a school is just engaging in "hyperbole".

But, Swalwell is out of the running. What's truly alarming is that so many other candidates have taken up his call for confiscation.

All that says is how willfully blind to reality you are. They've been saying it all along... and you labeled it "hyperbole".

Millions of Ukrainians and Jews didn't die of "hyperbole". They died of willful blindness to evil.

 

[Deanimator]

If by "attrition" you mean "gradually," I think we'll see the pace pick up dramatically in the next 2 years. And we have no strategy to counter this, except for stonewalling. This is the time to take the initiative, and to control the terms of the debate. I fear we're going to lose by default, if the present trend continues.

Translation: "This is the time not just to surrender, but to throw our fervent efforts into helping the enemy destroy us by taking some of the burden away from him and shouldering it ourselves."

I suspect that if we were Polish Jews, some of us would be calling on us to help the Germans lay a rail line to Sobibor where we'll be "resettled to the east"...

 

[JERRY]

the gun rights organizations, NRA et al. seem to be always negotiating our rights instead of fighting for them. for example, name one gun right that we have lost that was ever put back in place when gun groups negotiated with the Democrats on their next assault on the constitution? I think California has a state wide gun group that seems to be a simple collection of shooting sports enthusiasts that complain about local legislation but have not once gained back any of the rights lost. this is how the Democrats win by attrition. NY has a magazine capacity ban for handguns, what did the good folks of NY get in exchange for that? how about CT, ar15 ban, what did those folks get in exchange? the list goes on for laws that kill the RKBA by a thousand cuts....

 

[AlexanderA]

Dammit. All I see ahead is a slow (or not so slow) erosion of gun rights. Where are the concessions that our side should be demanding from the antigunners? We are getting nothing in exchange for what the antigunners are getting.

 

[JERRY]

Dammit. All I see ahead is a slow (or not so slow) erosion of gun rights. Where are the concessions that our side should be demanding from the antigunners? We are getting nothing in exchange for what the antigunners are getting.

exactly. I'm tired of seeing the Neville Chamberlain act every time the Democrats attack the RKBA.

 

[danez71]

Where are the concessions that our side should be demanding from the antigunners? We are getting nothing in exchange for what the antigunners are getting.

Again, I'll ask, what do you think they'd be willing to give up (aka: give back to us what was once ours) in exchange for UBC?

 

[theotherwaldo]

Has anyone else noticed that the calls for gun control almost exactly parallel the calls for socialist revolution?

To the unethical, everything is an excuse to do what you really want to do,

 

[AlexanderA]

Again, I'll ask, what do you think they'd be willing to give up (aka: give back to us what was once ours) in exchange for UBC?

A moot point, because discussions between the two sides have not taken place. Neither side can talk to the other without being accused of being a Quisling by its own partisans. So it boils down to a pure power play rather than a negotiation. My fear is that we are going to end up on the short side of the power play.

 

[Deanimator]

A moot point, because discussions between the two sides have not taken place. Neither side can talk to the other without being accused of being a Quisling by its own partisans. So it boils down to a pure power play rather than a negotiation. My fear is that we are going to end up on the short side of the power play.

The other side wants an absolute monopoly on the means of armed force. Why should they concede ANYTHING, and if they do, why concede it for longer than it takes to get the next concession from gun owners?

They've been GIVEN the Rhineland, the Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia. What else do you want to give them, Texas?

 

[AlexanderA]

The other side wants an absolute monopoly on the means of armed force. Why should they concede ANYTHING, and if they do, why concede it for longer than it takes to get the next concession from gun owners?

They've been GIVEN the Rhineland, the Sudetenland and Czechoslovakia. What else do you want to give them, Texas?

The conflation here makes my head spin.

 

[Robert]

Chest thumping and Nazi Germany comparisons, bowing to the pressure by picking what rights we give away... Yeah we are done here.