SBR cost?

[TanklessPro]

Im considering a PTR32 pistol to convert into a SBR.
Some of the SBR already built look really high on the price and the numbers do not add up?
Example: AR-15 pistol <$1000, AR-15 SBR >$2000?

Am I missing something?

After purchase of the pistol, who can I send it to to SBR and how much(ballpark) would it cost?

 

[Dustin0]

You can do it your self. Buy the pistol. File form 1 and supporting docs $200. Buy a AR wrench $25 and a but stock $35+. So the numbers don't added up. I have less than a $1000 in mine. Just don't change the buffer tube till you have form 1 back from the ATF.




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[TanklessPro]

I do not want to build an AR, just using to compare. I guess LGS in my part of the world are looking to make a small fortune off of SBR's.

I want to do a ptr32 pdw into a sbr and I think something may have to be done to the back of the receiver but I'm not sure.
Ptr32 pdw is $1000 and hkparts shows a stock for the pdw for $150. If they work I can do the entire build myself?

By the way I love the Wedding Etiquette book in the back ground

 

[MasterSergeantA]

Due to the design of the HK clones, you should be able to simply pull the pins in the rear cap and remove it, then replace with a standard stock (after receiving your approved stamp from ATF, of course.) I have a V51P pistol that I decided to SBR and in that case, I had to get a very specific stock with a collapsible recoil rod which I was able to order from Vector. You might want to take a look at the HKPro board to see if anyone has posted anything specifically related to your interest.

Pre-built (factory?) SBRs go for more than the DIY ones simply because most people don't understand the (1) ease of construction and/or (2) legal process, IMHO. If a shop is putting it together, presuming they are licensed to do so, there is the cost of the additional parts to put the stock on it and make whatever mods might be required. Turning a 'pistol' into a SBR can be as easy as swapping uppers on an AR or it can entail cutting, threading and re-crowning a barrel on another type of gun. In my case, SBRing an AR cost about $50 (not counting the stamp) in addition to what I had in the pistol. But the stock for the V51 ran about $300, so the cost can vary with design. ARs are very "modular", HKs less so and AKs and FALs almost not at all from what I can see. But I am not a gunsmith by trade and some of the ones I know can knock these things out with seeming ease.

 

[Infidel4life11]

I'm building one right now but I'm using high(er) end parts. LaRue rail $300, upper/lower receivers $300, Magpul UBR stock $250. I'm already at $850 and haven't bought the barrel (CHF 1:7), trigger, gas system, BCG, Charging Handle, sights, optic, etc etc etc. Now I chose to go this route because I had a select group of parts I wanted to use, if you go pistol first and wait for your forms to come back it will be much cheaper.

 

[kimberkid]

I've already done a Coharie Arms CA89 pistol and am I'm currently doing the same thing with a V-52 pistol ... A few years ago I was going to do a SBR for a SW32; it was unreliable and had a horrible recoil system. Hopefully PTR has all the bugs worked out.

1. Acquire said pistol
2. Complete NFA Form 1 and submit with $200
3. Upon approval and receiving tax stamp, acquire acquire stock and install
4. Enjoy

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There is nothing magical about a factory SBR, but they do command higher prices, my SiG-P556 SBR final cost was right at $1,300 not counting the ACOG, the SiG-522 was about $650

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[crazy-mp]

SBR's are high due to several factors, one if the SBR is made by a 07/SOT that makes 50+ guns a year they have to pay the excise tax, on each gun, and they charge for their time, machines and doing that paperwork.

Not all AR's are created equal, I have a 1800.00 dollar AR SBR for sale right now, the upper alone cost 900.00, the trigger was close to 200.00, and that's not counting any thing else on the gun, if it sell's I might get lucky and make 100 bucks on the gun.

If you want the cheapest SBR you can make, its really simple, get a New Frontier Armory complete lower (109.00) ball park figure, then get either a Model 1 sales or a Blackthorn AR pistol upper, (400.00) ball park pay for your 200.00 form 1 and have a SBR for under 750.00.

 

[wally]

then get either a Model 1 sales or a Blackthorn AR pistol upper

I've been very satisified with my Model 1 Sales stuff, but I'd be leary of Blackthorn as I believe they are Hesse/Vulcan reincarnated.

There is an article in Shotgun New about building an AR308 uisng Blackthorrn parts and the chamber was cut incorrectly -- indicative of very poor QA/QC, but I guess if you have a chamber reamer and headspace gages its no big deal to fix

 

[crazy-mp]

I don't own any personally but I have a few customers that think they are the best thing since they put a pocket on a shirt, but if you want cheap, they do offer that, can't argue that.

 

[BLAKEinTX]

Crazy it says on the excise tax web site that NFA items are exempt from the excise tax due to the tax stamp

Tax-exempt sales

1. What is a tax-exempt sale?
A tax-exempt sale is a sale of an article where the tax never attaches.
2. When may I sell an article tax-exempt?
You may only sell an article tax-exempt if:
• The article is a firearm classified under the National Firearms Act and the transfer tax required by 26 U.S.C. 5811 has been paid [Refer to 26 U.S.C. 4182(a) and 27 CFR 53.62(a) ] ; or
• You sell the article to the Department of Defense (such as the Army, Navy, or Air Force) or to the United States Coast Guard with appropriated funds (the funds must be specifically appropriated for a military department). [Refer to 26 U.S.C. 4182(b) and 27 CFR 53.62(b) ]
3. Do I need approval from TTB before selling an article tax-exempt?
No. However, your sale must qualify as a tax-exempt sale.

Tankless PTR told me that the AR style stock goes right on the PDWs but the HK para stock requires some gunsmithing and ive asked them about their factory SBRs no word yet, also if you ever plan on getting a auto sear for it you have to weld and reheat treat the bolt carrier along with doing some machining

 

[crazy-mp]

How can you pay tax on something that is tax exempt? The article your referencing to is in regards to LE/GOV firearms, those manufactured are tax free and exempt from excise taxes, items manufactured for commercial resale is not exempt from the excise tax. If all NFA items were exempt small manufacturers would have racks of "cheap" SBRed AR's, 10/22's, Glock rifles, 1911 rifles, short Remington 870's, Mossberg 500's, etc.

 

[BLAKEinTX]

Im not tracking with you

They have different reference sections
Refer to 26 U.S.C. 4182(a) and 27 CFR 53.62(a) for NFA

Refer to 26 U.S.C. 4182(b) and 27 CFR 53.62(b) for GOV

Here is a TTB pdf about the 50gun or less exemption but talks about a update on pg2

http://www.ttb.gov/pdf/50gunexemption.pdf

From a google search of 27 CFR 53.62(a) first result
§ 53.62 Exemptions.
(a) Firearms subject to the National Firearms Act. Section 4182(a) provides that the tax imposed by section 4181 of the Code shall not attach to the sale of any firearms on which the tax imposed by section 5811 of the Code (relating to tax on the transfer of machine guns, short-barreled firearms, and other weapons) has been paid. Any manufacturer, producer, or importer claiming such an exemption from the tax imposed by section 4181 of the Code must maintain such records and be prepared to produce such evidence as will establish the right to the exemption.

The way i read it you dont charge the FAET on a NFA item because they collect the transfer tax as a form of "FAET" if they collected both then to me they would be double dipping so to speak

 

[MasterSergeantA]

Back to the original question:

You might want to ask over at the HKPro forum. There is a thread dedicated to SBRs and some guys there can build them for you. I think 'ghilliebear' is one; pretty sure there are others.

FWIW

 

[crazy-mp]

When a manufacturer makes the weapon and it transfers directly to a individual and the tax is paid either 200 or 5 dollar it is exempt from FEAT, however if a manufacturer makes the weapon and it leaves on a form 3 because another dealer is buying it for resale or the manufacturer and customer are in different states and the manufacturer had made 50+ guns then the item is subject to the excise tax.