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SBS/SBS or Automatic

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by Ragnar Danneskjold, Sep 27, 2010.

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Which would you rather see all regulations/bans/taxes be lifted on?

  1. Automatic/select fire weapons

    60 vote(s)
    48.0%
  2. Short barelled rifles and shotguns

    65 vote(s)
    52.0%
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  1. Lou McGopher

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    Not everything government does is a good idea. ;)

    My vote goes to short barrels. Automatic has its uses, but I think the restriction is less of a hindrance to personal security.
     
  2. Gord

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    Uh... that makes no sense. If your plan is to "go to the nearest University" - the purpose for which is implied - why would you give a flying crap about the legalities of your gun?

    :scrutiny:
     
  3. bgrav321

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    A full auto AR or AK, while kind of cool, has limited application.

    I think we would want both repealed, because if full auto and SBR were gone at the same time, we may witness a resurgence in the popularity of the submachine gun. Once a fixation in every major army, the application especially in close combat of semi-accurate full auto could be very very popular. As a noob at full auto, I was able to do well with an uzi at 15 yards or so on full auto, meaning 30 rounds in the torso on the target.

    If MP5s, Uzis, and old Sterlings, etc, were available to the public, they would sell. Heck I'd buy an Uzi so fast...
     
  4. texas bulldog

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    Seriously, dude? This might not be the forum for you if you really believe that. Law abiding citizens aren't going to shoot up a university regardless of the functional specifics of the weapon, and criminals are going to do what they want no matter how many laws you pile up on top of what is already illegal. There is no gun control law that has been proven effective in actually preventing crime.
     
  5. Ragnar Danneskjold

    Ragnar Danneskjold Member

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    That is a question no one, Pyro included, has an answer to. AS you well know, the premise is inherently illogical. One who breaks laws does not follow laws. One who has decided to commit murder will not decide to follow firearms laws.

    I for one would love to hear Pyro's answer, though I can guarantee it won't make any sense. Not to be rude Pyro, as I hope you do come to the light and start to understand what gun rights really mean, but texas bulldog may be right. If you really think that an otherwise law abiding non-murderer, will all of a sudden have a desire to kill if his weapon loses a few inches off the barrel, then this may not be the forum for you.

    Also Pryo, consider this: Both fully automatic firearms, and short barreled rifles and shotguns are already legal in some places. Why have we not seen the increase in crime you predict in those places?
     
  6. CoRoMo

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    +1 on the suppressor idea. It isn't a firearm. It shouldn't be treated like one.

    But for this poll, I say can the full auto regs. Undo them, desensitize the public over a generation or two, and every other gun law will unravel from its own absurdity. I think that if the barrel length reg was to be tossed, full auto would still remain taboo forever and ever.
     
  7. Gord

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    I wish more people would actually post on threads with polls, instead of just hitting the poll up with no explanation.

    Honestly, I'm surprised that this is so close - and I'm assuming a lot of the votes on the MG side are just coming from people whose thought process goes no further than "omg a masheengun would b so kool," on the same logical plane as people who lust over Ferraris.
     
  8. Maverick223

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    Since you termed the OP as "totally deregulated" I had to vote for MGs, because you would be allowed to purchase new FA parts for existing SA rifles...and who wouldn't like a FA 10/22 (or other suitable .22LR)? Exclusive of your poll, I would rather see an end to the regulation of sound suppressors as that would be particularly useful for both target shooting and hunting.

    :)
     
  9. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    There seems to be a common theme. MGs seem to be more of a "living up to the true intent of the 2A" kind of thing, as it would give us weapons that are far closer to true militia arms than we have now, and more of a significant blow against excessive gun regulation. Whereas SBR/SBS are things that people would find more use of on a day to day basis. Nothing really exciting or groundbreaking about them, just the ability to have some guns that fill niche roles better than they do now. People voting for MGs are thinking "this would help restore the 2A" and people voting for SBR/SBS are thinking "this is something I would use".
     
  10. mrnkc130

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    Or its coming from people who think, I can have and SBR SBS or a silencer and it only costs me 200 extra dollars. On the other hand I can't buy a G36 or SAW at all, and a 40yr old m16 will still cost me 12-18k.

    Unless you live in a state that doesnt allow SBR, SBS or silencers (CA,NY, etc) i dont see why anyone would take a little less restriction over not having something at all. And most likely if repealed on federal level states like CA, NY etc would most likely not allow them anyways...

    oh well, I'm sure we will never get the choice anyways...
     
  11. CoRoMo

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    That's like saying, 'the votes on the SBS/SBR side are just coming from people whose thought process goes no further than "Joe Public should never be allowed to convert his rifle to full auto,"'

    Not me. I explained how I would view either . If we kill the FA regs, barrel lengths would eventually become as silly as other trivial legislative terms, such as 'barrel shroud', 'bayonet lug', etc. Those regs would be far easier to undo once the public got used to the idea of unregulated machine guns.

    Of course, if we only get our barrel lengths liberated, Mrs. SoccerMom will still faint in terror at the thought of a select-fire conversion kit being delivered to her neighbor's door. Not much progress IMHO.
    This.
     
  12. FruitCake

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    Shotgun of course.
     
  13. FruitCake

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    Shotgun of course.
     
  14. 45ACPGUY

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    My SMG is short barrel so I'd want it all! really!! Because I own SBR also!
     
  15. JTW Jr.

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    know what happens when you assume. :)

    I would say lift all , no just on OR the other. :)

    More might not be replying since after all , it is just a fantasy poll.
     
  16. Sig88

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    If I could afford the ammo costs for an auto, I'd say auto. But since money is probably always going to be an issue I'd say SBRs. I wouldn't mind getting a short barreled shotgun and rifle. I'd be able to use them alot more.
     
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