SC CCW Irritation

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Background: I'm in the Army, stationed at Ft Jackson, SC. I am legally a resident of WA, and have a CCW from that state. However, SC does not recognize CCW's from WA, since WA's standards are "lower" that SC's. (SC requires class taught by certified instructor plus target qualification in additional to fingerprint/background check. WA only requires fingerprint/background check. SC's class and qual requirements are waiverable for military personnel with pistol qualification in the previous 3 years.) SC also waives residency requirements for active duty military personnel if you submit a copy of your orders assigning you to SC.

So, back before Thanksgiving, I submitted all the required paperwork plus the fee and began my 90-day required thumb-twiddling. 90 days rolls around, and nothing from the State Law Enforcement Division (SLED). The 100 day mark rolled around yesterday, so today I called SLED to find out what the problem was. I spoke to a very nice and understanding lady on the phone, who informed me that all the military applications, at least for non-SC resident military personnel, are in a state of limbo. Not for any approval reasons-my application was approved on 23 Feb-but because they can't figure out how to put my picture and signature on the card in a tamper-proof manner. People who have an SC driver's license or ID card (which costs another $10, btw) don't have any problem, because the state already has a digitized version of their picture and signature (Big Brother warning) which they can put on the card. But us military personnel don't have that. All SLED has is our signature on a paper form, and a paper photo that we submitted (which they have to trust is who we say it is).

Nice to know they take the ID verification seriously, but it seriously hacks me off that my CCW is being held hostage to a bureaucratic goat-f@%. :banghead:

Any other SC THR folks in the same boat?
 
I don't see what the big hold-up is, it doesn't require cutting edge technology to scan a signature and a photo into a software app and print out a stinkin badge.

then again, it is SC.

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I still havn't been thru the "training" class. The class might be useful if they provide info on where I can and cannot carry, but otherwise it will just be a waste of a day and ~$55. If I am not allowed to carry while hiking in SC parks I might just forget it alltogether.
 
When you get a chance, drive up I-26 West to Chapin, and go to the DMV there and get a non-driver's ID which requires a photo the same as a DL. Then SLED can get your photo from the DMV computers. Costs about $10 for the ID, IIRC.
 
BINGO King!

Good Advice!! I wonder though, are they putting on hold as a group? (regardless of whether pic is in for one guy?) Or is this on an individual basis? Call 'em back and ask if that'll resolve their issues. It is a great idea. The lady there is really nice and is pretty knowledgeable. She should be able to get you an answer fairly quick.
 
According to the lady I spoke with, the issue is affecting all non-SC resident servicemembers whose CCW applications are pending. Not sure exactly how many that is, but it isn't just me apparently. Given the general pro-military bent of politics in SC, I'm reasonalby sure they're not doing it to mess with military personnel, something I would suspect in a lot of other states.

The lady also said that it's a fairly new problem. From what I gathered, the state police captain or major who's in charge of the CCW program just recently decided this is an issue.

I really don't want to have to get an SC ID. That's more money, on top of what I already paid. plus the time to go down to the DMV-and really my only free day each week is Sunday. And then my wife would have to do the same thing in a couple of months when she does her application. It's a band-aid fix, and one for a problem that the state created, not me.

Of course, if the universal CCW-reciprocity bill passes, then my WA permit will be good and I won't have to worry about any of this.
 
Langenator "Of course, if the universal CCW-reciprocity bill passes, then my WA permit will be good and I won't have to worry about any of this."


What are you referring to?
 
I really don't want to have to get an SC ID. That's more money, on top of what I already paid. plus the time to go down to the DMV-and really my only free day each week is Sunday. And then my wife would have to do the same thing in a couple of months when she does her application. It's a band-aid fix, and one for a problem that the state created, not me.
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It almost sounds like you are standing on principle here. But I know that's not the case, or you wouldn't be asking the state for a permit to do something the Constitution already says you can do.

Sounds like a simple practical decision - would you rather have the permit, or would you rather have the $10 and the time? And your wife WON'T have to do the same thing in a few months - she'll do it when you do it, killing only ONE day and burning only X gallons of gas, instead of 2X gallons of gas (depending on your personal circumstances, of course).
 
I'm not in the military... Just a normal resident of SC. It took them a whole lot more than 90 days to mail mine out. When it came, it didn't have any of the information/picture/signature that I submitted. It had the EXACT information thats on my drivers licence. Pic, signature, and all are exactly the same.

Got to wonder sometimes... good luck.
 
Viking6,

In SC, getting rid of reciprocity (in which SLED determines which out of state CWP permits are valid based on the training requirement), and replacing it with recognition of other states' CWP permits. This would allow me to carry in GA and GA CWP permit holders to carry in SC. This is not possible now because there isn't a training requirement in GA, as I understand it.

Paul
 
Viking-I seem to recall seeing on here that a bill had been introduced in the SC legislature that would recognize any state's CCW permit. I may be confused, since a similar bill was introduced in WA.

The principle I'm standing, if it can be called that is nothing so high and noble as the Constitutional issue that I should be allowed to bear arms however I wish. It's the simple "If you wanted me to do this, why didn't you tell me in the first place?" principle. I'm also slightly leery of getting a state ID card because I don't want to suddenly find myself subject to the state income tax (WA doesn't have one, one of the reasons it's my permanent residence), which would cost me a couple of guns a year. ;)
 
Langenator, as a former SC resident with family still in state, I was hoping they would come up with more reciprocity with either VA, I have CCW here, or FL, I have CCW there, also. I think you may be thinking of WA because if memory and experience serve me well, SC is exceedingly strict on recognizing other states CCW. It may have changed but I would be surprised if they did anything close to universal reciprocation. Additionally, in the course I took back in 96 when I had a SC CCW, they went over a lot about when and where you could carry, brandishing, protecting life, etc. Thanks for the info, I'll check packing.org for any movement on reciprocity.
 
[sarcasm]Maybe the powers-that-be just don't want soldiers to carry guns. They've already been trained to kill, and being armed might make them DANGEROUS.[/sarcasm]

Seriously, this situation really is :barf:. You've jumped through the hoops, and those (southbound ends of northbound horses) ostensibly can't get THEIR end of the act together, but they still take your money. :cuss:
 
I understand your concern over residency status. If I understood correctly, you did apply as military. If you go the $10 ID route, you might want to use your military (work) address when you apply for that, to make it harder for them to come back with the ID as some indication of residence. I doubt that there is a problem here, but there is probably a legal office on base that can give you free and accurate advice on the residence issue, once you give them all the facts.
 
I was going to call the state Senator and/or Representative for the district I live in (even though I'm not a resident/voter) and request some help (nothing like legislator attention to get an agency moving!), but the part of the govt site that tells me which district I live in seems to be down. Anyone know the name(s) of the state Sen and/or Rep for Forest Acres/Ft Jackson?
 
That $15 would be better spent on joining Grassroots SC and helping to get H.4529 passed. It will remove reciprocity with other states and replace it with recognition of other state's permits.

Paul
 
This would allow me to carry in GA and GA CWP permit holders to carry in SC. This is not possible now because there isn't a training requirement in GA, as I understand it.
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This is surprising to me. NC has the same requirement as SC for recognizing other states' CCWs, i.e., equal or better qualifiers, and NC has a training requirement. NC does, however, recognize both SC and GA permits.
 
North Carolina has reciprocity. If the other state recognizes NC CWP, then they recognize the other state's permits. This is what happened with SC. As soon as SC SLED approved the training requirement of NC's CWP (as currently required by state law), then NC recognized SC's CWP. That is why I can carry in NC now. That is why a NC CWP holder can carry in GA. I can't carry in GA, due to the training requirement. That is why we are trying to get recognition passed and get SC SLED out of the decision-making process.

This is from NC AG's website.

As of August 14, 2003, North Carolina also allows certain out of state concealed handgun permittees to carry concealed handguns pursuant to such permits in North Carolina if the person’s respective state also grants such privilege to North Carolina concealed handgun permittees.

Paul
 
Contacted Joel Lourie's office yesterday. He wasn't in, but spoke with a very helpful member of his staff, named Howard. Was promised that Rep Lourie would try to call me back today. We'll see how that goes. Howard did sound very helpful though.

Lourie is currently the 78th District Rep. He's running for State Senate.
 
No4Mk1 and Viking6

Just FYI, re: earlier comments, SC CWP holders can now carry in Virginia, and (unless I'm mistaken) can also carry while in state parks in SC; carry in state-owned or occupied buildings (other than restrooms at interstate highway rest stops) is prohibited.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong!:)
 
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