Scary Conversation with professor today

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After class (firearms and their regulations) i stoped by to see my final exam. While looking for the exam he asked if i had read anything good recently. I just finished up Unintened Consequences (awesome). My prof. had never heard of it so i breifly explained the ideas of the book.

He went on to tell me that he predicts that there will be an armed resistance within our life time. 2 years ago he was saying it would be very very soon. But since all the recent terrorist happenings that has held off. and not sure when it will happen but within our lifetime.

Thinking about that is really scary. reading and talking about them is one thing. but when a highly educated (non-liberal) professor suggest the very high possibility of an armed rebellion in our lifetime. That's something that kind of hits hard.
 
I just had a "genius" financial management professor (with many start-ups under his belt in the defense and technology sector, wealthy guy) tell me that OJ is innocent. It was a mob hit, he claims, and OJ just showed up and walked around in some blood afterwards and didn't tell anyone about it.


Not all "smart" people are right all the time, or for that matter any more than any of us.
 
yes but firearms is this guys expertese. a little different senerio than the OJ comparisson. i am still not convinced OJ did it!
 
I can relate.

There's a slew of ways to phrase the relationship here. He was my wrestling coach, then he was my biology teacher, then he was my wrestling coach and cross country coach, and now he's "just" a friend. I've known him since I was 8 and now I'm 23. Holy crap, I never realized it was that long.

In 1994, being a biology guy, he GOES OFF one day about antibiotics and how we're over prescribing them and it's going to be a problem. We're mutating the bacteria too fast for ourselves to keep up with them from overkill medicines.

Around 2000 I start seeing this come true on the news. Huhm... guy's not so crazy.

Around 1996 or 1997 we've known each other for much longer, and the guys on the wrestling team (in the "core" group) have known him as long as I have. While having dinner one day after a meet he explains the problems he sees with race in this country. He's not a bigot, mind you, but sees a possible "race war" breaking out in our lifetimes. I'm not too sure about this one, but I do give it some credit. We think along similiar lines in this area but I would term it more a "class war" than a "race war". Basically, SHTF and suddenly a huge portion of the population has a huge problem with the rest of the nation. It could be minorities vs. whites (his scenario) or common folk vs aristocricy (my scenario) or Ameicans vs the federal government (another scenario of mine -- least likely)... but at any rate, the tension is there in ALL situations. Anything's possible.

I consider him a highly intelligent man well versed in biology, economics, socialology, religion, and I would imagine politics but we never did get into that too terribly much. He's got a contigency plan for when SHTF and owns a few rifles for this purpose but isn' a huge gun nut. Gets excited though whenever he hears about me adding something new to my collecton.

At 16 I thought the guy was a little nutty. I still think he's a little nutty but I am too I suppose. However, in the 15 years I've known him I've never ever seen him state something that didn't come true. Many examples are abundant, the antibiotic one is just something that sticks out in my mind.
 
Some days I'm optimistic about a new conservative swing in politics that we may be beginning. Other days...like today for instance, I'm pessimistic about our chances of survival as a country with its current downward spiral. It may take a war, civil or world war 3, to get us back on track.:(

It's not good to be pessimistic when you're 24.:uhoh:
 
They've (scientists) been talking about antibiotic resistance for well over 10 years now, so your Bio teacher was merely well-informed, not prescient. The sad thing is it took so long for the news media to get the message.

Anyone with a little history can see that our society is filled with divisions and these have often been fractious to the point of violence in other societies. I believe this is primary motivation for the gun grabbers, as they are "progressives" who seek to change society, which, historically, comes most often through violence. They, however, wish to use the numbers of their supporters to gain control of state-controlled means of violence, such as the police and army, via the ballot-box first.
 
Ya, there's trouble coming but I don't think it'll be along racial lines.

What we're facing is that our income levels (read: labor costs) are so high, we're not competitive with India, China, etc. So there's a move afoot among major American financial/business management folks to slowly ratchet down average US income levels...aided by the gov't.

They're playing a dangerous game. Go too fast, blowup city. In their opinion, too SLOW and the US economy collapses completely - blowup city again.

They're screwing up in that they're underestimating the rate of technical change and opportunities therein. Basically, there is MASSIVE amounts of wealth available in genetic engineering, orbital factories, advanced materials, micro-scale engineering and a slew of other such. The world needs to get extremely weird but highly advanced, and we're going to have to just roll with the changes even if there's some screwups. We are going to have to high-tech our way out and through the coming problems, changes and opportunities.

Problem is, technical/social/economic changes on that scale mean social instability. That means an opportunity for tyrants.

And THAT, friends and neigbors, means we damned well better keep our guns.

(Oh, and if you don't think major business figures engage in social engineering on this scale, go research where the Women's Christian Temperance Movement got the huge influx of cash needed to lobby and adversize for Prohibition. They went from a handful of crazy chicks to a potent national movement in less than 10 years. Hint: they managed to convince Henry Ford and such that without booze, industrial worker productivity would go up at least 10%. Which leads us to point #2: these social engineers are capable of royally screwing the pooch :rolleyes:.)
 
good point Jim

like that rich dude behind AGS and Soros.
I don't think there will be a race war,I think it will be urban versus rural.
The first shots have allready been fired,if you know any Burning Man
folks or locals in that area of NV they would tell ya.



As far as antibiotics,hell I knew that over 20yrs ago and I aint got no degree.
 
Black92LX,
Here's my take and you can run it past the guy. Race and class disputes are going to be more skirmishes than all out war or rebellion. The one for "all the marbles" is going to be over water.
 
Black92LX:

Your professor freind might want to loosen his tin hat a bit.

But Hal does have a point about the potential of a conflict over water. And may well occur here in the US when the Western States try to make a grab for the Great Lakes.
 
I could see one scenario where OJ possibly didn't do it... Gambling debts, some other organized crime debt, and a "message was sent." He got the message, but can't talk about it, because he knows what will happen to him.
 
What I find most interesting is how everyone thinks it will be issue X.

Probably the issue most important to them or in front of them.

I am the most optimistic person I know - my wife will tell you I am optimistic to a fault.

Yet, I don't see any "wars" starting.

Most people are too "nice".

If there was going to be some kind of revlolt, its at least 50 years too late.
 
I've always believed that we're heading for a nationwide, Northern-Ireland-type civil war within the next 50 years. There are too many divisions in our society, an active erosion of the cohesiveness of American culture, a major increase in government's power & invasiveness, and numerous economic pressures that will lead up to a "secret war" where numerous sides will be sniping, bombing, and assasinating each other while the government tightens its grip. :eek:

The only thing that's changed in my belief is that it will happen a lot sooner than I thought... :(
 
Thing is, if a rural vs. urban thing happens, the larger cities are gonna break down fast... A few extended power outages, interruptions of rail/trucker service, etc., and there'll be some serious riots... And I can see the place of rural law enforcement in this...

"You say you're from Washington, and you're here to help us? Nice car you got there. Gimme the keys."
 
Coupla questions.

zahc wrote:
Especially after watching the Apache video.
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What's the Apache video?

gunsmith wrote:
I don't think there will be a race war,I think it will be urban versus rural.
The first shots have allready been fired,if you know any Burning Man
folks or locals in that area of NV they would tell ya.
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I know what Burning Man is, but I don't know what incident you are referring to. Care to explain?
 
Over the years the military and government have made great and purposeful strides in weapons technology that the average citizen couldn't begin to compete with.

My thoughts and observations are they have done everything they could, and well done too, I might add, in weaponry development to ensure there will never be another rebellion and if there is one it will be a very short lived blood bath.

With what the general public has available any thought of an uprising against the vastness of the government and military and their arsenal of elite and magnificant weapons would be like going to war with pea shooters.

Any skirmishes amongst varied factions of citizens will only happen if the government and military agree with the causes. Otherwise they will step in and put it down like squashing a bug.

While I won't discount any possibility of some foolish group(s) making an attempt at an armed conflict I think doing so would be a futile and fool hearty attempt and any attempts will simply be branded as a form of domestic terrorism and would be quickly dealt with.

Just my thoughts, mind ya.
 
"Civil War II"

I refer one and all to Thomas W. Chittum's "Civil War II". It pretty well lays out chapter and verse, yet allows for variation---
 
What's the Apache video?
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I'm assuming it's the FLIR gun-camera footage from an Apache gunship in Iraq that was posted awhile back.

It takes out three Fedeyien insurgents trying to set up an RPG with 30mm chaingun fire from what's presumably a significant distance.

They kind of go "splat". Until the rounds sarted throwing thier insides all over the great outdoors, they had no clue that they could be seen on FLIR. They were walking and jogging back and forth across the road like they had no cares in the world.

zach is making the point that any American insurgency would meet the same fate.

I am personally drawn to the example of Northeren Ireland put out in "Unintended Consequences" that all the trouble there is promugated by about 100 active IRA members at any given time. By "active" I mean, willing to shoot, sabotage, bomb, or kill.

If only .5% of American gun owners did something...
 
NavajoNPaleFace: that's what people were saying about the Redcoats, too. I'd refer you to Mogadishu, Afghanistan, Northern Ireland, pretty much every sub-Saharan nation, and Vietnam for examples of poorly trained and under equipped rebels holding their own in conflicts with vastly superior forces. Tech doesn't matter. The will to win is all that matters.
 
Both of my brothers work for Boeing. They brought home a video of a C-130 Warlord in action in A-stan. It was scary. It was from an op that was ran at night, so the footage was from a thermal imager. From something like 4 miles away they demolished a mosque housing insurgents with one shot. They then mowed down the people who were trying to run. At one point you could see a person's limb get blown off and go flying.

In a straight up fight rebels get hosed. No disputing that. But all those spiffy wonder gadgets depend on a massive amount of support. Take away their fuel, their power grid, their mechanics, their resupply of parts etc and that fancy tech stops working.
 
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