Scary' intruder drill leaves Phillipsburg,NJ teachers upset, officials assured

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I'm all fired up by several things on this thread. As a teacher in the public school system who is currently waiting patiently for her conceal carry permit to arrive, I appreciate that many of you think this was a stupid drill. Duh.
What I disagree with is the idea that we're "trained" to "cower." Ok, yes, I can't disagree, in general. If we hear there's an intruder in the building, we are trained to close our doors, lock them and keep the children as safe as possible in our unarmed states. So in that way, yes, you're right. But I don't like the feeling I'm getting from a lot of these posts that we're mindless, or because of us, the kids are not learning to defend themselves. We're apparently cowards, so it's no wonder that little Johnny is, too-- after all, that's what he's learning at school.
Some posts mentioned "snapping off a chair leg" or some variation and beating the meanie with the gun with it. Well, in order to do this, a person must have 1. Massive action-movie strength to break the chair (which of course, wouldn't be noticed by the gunman, right? After all, they don't notice in the movies...) 2. opportunity to approach the gunman without being seen or heard, and then 3. Smack him hard enough with the improvised weapon ONCE so that he is down and can be detained or ... dealt with. Yes, as teachers we should defend ourselves, but I think the situation has to be just so in order for something like this to realistically work without a paranoid gunman shooting everyone in the room. Often the gunman is feeling a sense of power. If cowering and praying saves lives by making him believe we're not racking our brains trying to think of something we can do, then good.
Another tidbit to think about is this: all of us have heard about situations where a crook of some sort is high on who-knows-what, and the cops shoot him dozens of times to get him to go down. If I were to try to do something like this, I would hope I'd be high on SOMETHING. The chance that the gunman is right in his head at the time of shooting seems relatively low. You might as well bash YOURSELF in the head with the chair leg for all the good it will do you. I understand that the hero with the chair leg may save lives, but he may die, too. Many of you are willing to do that at a moment's notice. Good for you. I like life, and would like to continue it, so depending on the situation, there's a good chance I won't try to be the hero. I'll be cowering in my classroom, thankyouverymuch, keeping my students quiet.
I know many of you are not anti-teacher, and have more of a problem with the fact that schools are killing zones waiting to happen, and I agree. Just remember please that we are not all cowardly sheep being led to the slaughter. We are people too.
 
My daughter attended a high school in Texas. The Marine ROTC program had both AR's & M-14's in the training racks. The bolts were in a quick open safe.

The teachers were one retired Corp officer, one gunny and one first Sargent. I would bet that their trucks parked just outside the class door had more than one box of appropriate ammo.

I for one would hate to be a local copper "training" at that school without alerting the "staff" (including the Marines). It might lead to "unintended consequences".
 
I don't generally agree with frivolous lawsuits. But this is something I can't tolerate--all it does is make people feel insecure and scare them.
If one of these teachers sues, I will support them 100%.
 
Just remember please that we are not all cowardly sheep being led to the slaughter. We are people too.

glocktoter:
Thank you for your excellent post. Sometimes (often) we internet heroes need a reality check from somebody who is actually in the trenches. Keep teaching and protecting our children as best you can in a flawed world.
 
My daughter attended a high school in Texas. The Marine ROTC program had both AR's & M-14's in the training racks. The bolts were in a quick open safe.

They're not operational. Zero chance.
 
SCKimber Fan, this is from the OP:

The man, yelling obscenities, squeezed off several shots, prompting those present to run for cover and pray for their lives.

The school said the teachers did exactly what they were trained to do. :)
 
So it's no longer safe to assume that the man barging into your classroom and holding the place up is a bad guy?

I wonder what legal ramifications a student would be subjected to if he were to return fire at the "actor"?
 
I don't mind admitting I'm very anti-education establishment - at the national level and most particularly the NJEA - having sent three kids thru it. Not "teacher"; just "establishment". No doubt the NJEA will be pontificating on this fiasco shortly. We can be sure their response will be larded with lots of hoplophobic catch phrases and emotional "trigger words" - but no worthwhile analyses or suggestions.

BTW, I haven't seen anyone post from P'burg - about five miles from me - and a school I have long acquaintence with. Phillipsburg is a former "mill town". It once had the main plant of a F200 worldwide OEM as well as numerous other mfg. businesses of varying sizes and national note. It now has two major industries - a pipe foundry - and illegal drugs, along with a burgeoning gang population. The homicide rate in what's known locally as the "Lehigh Valley" is such that the scenario depicted is not a matter of "if" just "when". >MW
 
Glocktoter,

I am a former teacher myself. I taught 8th grade.

I can understand your sense of frustration at being labeled as a coward. By and large, the teachers are not cowards; however most have the same preprogrammed non-violent response mindset that you have expressed.

In their infinite wisdom, lawmakers have decided that it is illegal to carry a firearm and be able to prevent an armed intruder from entering your classroom to hurt the children in your care. And most teachers seem to think that this is a wise law. This has always appalled me.

Close and lock the door. Turn out the lights. Back up into a corner and sit quietly until you are either bypassed or executed by the psychotic armed intruder is an unacceptable plan of action.

Barricade the door. Turn out the lights. Sit quietly. Obtain weapons of opportunity and make ready to assault the intruder and lay down your life in defense of those children should the intruder make it through the door.

I don't care how much you love your life. If you are in charge of taking care of somebody's kids and they are denied the means of defending themselves (including escaping school grounds) then you owe them your life. Period. Anything less.. Hell you may as well not even be there and just let the intruder kill the children.
 
I went to High School in Phillipsburg, the drill was held at a new school building while teachers were there for a back to school in service day. Only a couple of posters have mentioned it, but it was the first thing a retired P-burg cop said when I asked him about it....what would have happened if one of the teachers had a heart attack? 911 operators had also been given only a few minutes warning prior to the drill. What about PA operators? frequently cell towers across the river in PA will pick up cell phone calls. Everybody I have spoken to about this drill feels it was one of the least thought out drills. Now that the teachers have been taught to cower under their desks, what will happen when there are kids in the class rooms?

Also, from what I understand from the drill, the announcement was made that the school was in 'lockdown'. Nobody gets in or out. The bad guy actor was ALREADY INSIDE the building at that point. Sooooo, he was locked IN? The kids will be LOCKED IN, too, in a real school day situation?????? I am glad I moved across the river when I turned 18.
 
The institutionalized stupidity in the halls of education is breathtaking.:eek:

My best friend is a state trooper and has told me in detail the depth of the training for an "active shooter" scenario that an SRO goes through. Basically it is an annual 6 hour class.

Anyone who has had mout / CQB training will know that this is nowhere nearly enough to develop and maintain any sense of proficiency. And no... the SROs are not SWAT qualified in any way. There may be exceptions out there, but they are the exception.
 
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