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Scary Laws that the gun Grabbers would like to see Passed

Discussion in 'Legal' started by AJAX22, Aug 25, 2006.

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  1. AJAX22

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    I was looking up microstamping today, and I came across a site which supports the idea.

    Browsing through it to see what the main arguments were, I came across a 'Model Assultweapon Law'

    It's scary, but worth a look.

    know your enemy.

    http://www.csgv.org/docUploads/Model AWB law.pdf
     
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    Notice how we have to pay every year to keep our property:fire: Also, they make no definition of "Safe and Secure Storage" but if you violate it you are guilty of a felony. Oh yeah, the police can also "inspect" your storage facility (i.e. home) once a year whenever they feel like it. :cuss:
     
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    Does anyone know, truth or BS? Somehow, I expect that number to be wrong. The funny part is, the AWB was in effect during the time frame.
     
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    It's BS. Nice try, leftists!
     
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    "1 in 5 law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty were killed with assault weapons..."

    And how many LEOs total does that come to that were killed in the line of duty, and how many total were killed with "assault weapons?"

    Because if the number is small on both end, any legal action is totally unwarranted.

    And this is between 1998 and 2001, when the Clinton AWB was in full effect. How does it compare to a similar time period before the AWB was in effect? How does it compare to a time period after the Clinton AWB?

    If in all cases the time periods have about the same level of assault weapons violence, then its pretty much official that the AWB had no legitimate, considerable effect on assault weapons violence. From what I understand, that turns out to be exactly the case. There was something like a 3% drop in gun-related violent crime for the duration of the Clinton AWB, which isn't significant.

    Now couple that with the drops in violent crime where states allow CCW. Those drops are consistent and very significant.

    So why is it so hard for the left to understand that regulating types of firearms has no effect, but allowing law-abiding citizens to provide for their own common defense has a huge effect?
     
  8. JJpdxpinkpistols

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    Utter BS.

    I do not want to minimize the risk of death for law enforcement folks, and even 1 killed in the line of duty is too many, and the most dangerous thing for officers is indeed gunfire (52 out of 156 or 33%).

    However the numbers break out the following way:

    Unidentified gun: 20
    Handgun: 18
    Officer issued weapons: 8 (mostly handguns, from the annectdotal accounts)
    Rifle: 1 (an SKS)
    Shotgun: 4
    Semi-auto Rifle: 1

    http://www.odmp.org/year.php?year=2005

    Now, if 1 in 5 of these 53 officers KIA were from a semi-auto rifle, I can betcha they would have noted this. That would be 10.6 officers KIA with a semi-auto rifle.

    Interestingly, the 2nd most common cause of death for Police Officers is Driving Accidents--33 KIA in 2005 (21% overall). 3rd is heart attacks--17 (10% overall).

    This is nothing but a form letter. Fill in your state, name, and you too can present this to some legislator that is interested in getting idiots to vote for them. Rest assured that idiots won't do the above number crunching.
     
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    If you read on how it went down in England, alot of the same verbage is in this.

    Especially the safe storage. Many lost their firearms with this one. Also, they had to have one key to the safe and no one else could have a key or know the combo.

    Basically, this is the same camel that stuck it's nose in the tent in England. I suspect they want the same events as happened there to happen here.

    I believe that P-95 is from England, he would have more information than I on how it went down.
     
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    Definition of an assault rifle;
    Rifle you assault the enemy position with, better be an automatic!
     
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    you excluded the final clause of that ban.

    Upon implementation of said ban, all gun grabbers are cordially invited to "lech mir im arsch".
     
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    Blah, blah, blah...
    So there you are, folks: ANY semiauto pistol made is an "assault weapon." Ban them all!!

    Two words: MOLON LAVE.:evil:
     
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    Unless it was a bullpup design pistol, having the magazine housing forward of the pistol grip would leave less room for a decent sized barrel.

    So I guess they are pretty much judging them by their 'evil looking' factor.

    Or would a shorter barrel make it a street sweeper? :rolleyes:
     
  14. G36-UK

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    How about our own "sensible" law?

    Something along the lines of "As of the day this bill goes into effect, any person who wrote or co-sponsored any type of weapons ban shall be automaticly found guilty of Treason, and given the maximun sentence for that offense.

    The passed laws restricting firearms are henceforth null and void."

    You could call it something like the "Common Sense in Firearms Legislation Act".
     
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    Sorry, pushed the wrong button.
     
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    These days the maximum sentence is life imprisonment, but before it could have been 'Hung, Drawn, and Quartered'. :D
     
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    It is BS, but not in the way you might think. If I recall correctly (I'm speaking off the cuff, here), this same sort of statistic was bandied about during the dark years of the AWB. It involved a Clintonian-style redefinition of the term "assault weapon". The standard "accepted" definition of Assault Weapon, at the time, was the one used in the AWB. However, the promulgator of that statistic pulled a fast one and included semi-auto handguns in their own little pet definition, then spewed forth that statistic without making it plain that the definition they used was not the "standard" one. Ergo, the death of a cop killed by a Jennings 9mm ghetto blaster was used to support legislation that restricted bayonet lugs on AR15s.

    I'm sure in an alternative universe that makes sense, but it sure doesn't in this one. It is akin to the logical chicanery present in the AWB as a whole; people see pictures of guns that look like machine guns, the law has the term "assault" like "assult rifle" in it, and they think "gee, they're tlking about banning machine guns and assault rifles".

    Again, I am speaking off the cuff on this one, so don't take it too far without verification.

    Mike
     
  18. Coronach

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    Ironically, that might actually be accurate, using the all-encompassing definition of AW they put forth in their current push. 1-in-5 killed with a semi-auto handgun? Yeah, maybe.

    Mike
     
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    :what:

    This quote from thier site should tell you all you need to know about thier honesty.

    I also would reason that 4 out of 5 murdered officers are killed by repeat felons. I would prefer we ban those.
     
  20. Coronach

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    You know? I bet that 4 out of 5 murder victims in general are murdered by repeat felons. I completely agree with your logic.

    DC is a case study in why gun control will not work. You'd think they'd be trying to distance themselves from that glaring example of gun control failure.

    Mike
     
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    Indeed, that and the fact that this organization (Coalition to Stop Gun Violence) was formerly known as the Coalition to Ban Handguns.
     
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