Scary thing at drill this weekend

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This weekend was drill weekend for me at my armory. We are a dismounted cav scout troop, and we can go to almost any school in the Army.

This weekend we were doing some basic patrols and such in the surrounding countryside. This alone isn't anything new, but when the LT gave us our mission briefing our simulated enemy was identified as the local state militia. I seemed to be the only one who was surprised at this, so I didn't mention anything.

Am I the only one freaked out by this? Are we Guardsmen being subtly desensitized to fighting fellow americans? Or am I just paranoid?

Thoughts, questions, concerns?
 
Check out the TwentyNine Palms Combat Arms Survey from several years ago where the Marines were asked if they would fire on American citizens if ordered to disarm them.

A very large percentage said that they would.
 
Not pointing out the obvious, but do the guardsmen understand the long term/short term results of firing on a state militia?
 
See, thats the creepiest thing about this. The LT wasn't the one who had made this mission up, it had come down from higher. Believe me, If I had though it was him just making stuff up I would have corrected him.


Brerrabbit, I don't think any of the other guys even gave it a thought as far as if it were real. I don't think anyone in my unit would obey such orders anyway.
 
It's just some retard LT spouting out his A$$. Don't worry about it.
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Why would you assume that it was just one LT.? He gets his orders from a Capt who gets his from the Colonel etc. Lt's don't just go and start making things up as they go along. In the military, things are planned well in advance.

When I was in the Army, it was always the Russians or Koreans. And I went to many a field training exercise while stationed stateside.

Look at what the possible mission of the NG would be. Can't use the regular Army stateside cuz of posse comitatus. Therefore the NG would play in that role.

Dude, that is messed up
 
Drill instructor, I was typing at the same time you were posting!!!

Amazing how much trust some people put in the .gov.

Don't get me wrong, I love my country, but the powers that be are steadily pushing we the people to a showdown.
 
Very scary. Think about it though. With the way things are going in American politics, can you envision a Federal government run by a blue state elected congress and president that starts an overt path toward more socialism than we now have?

With the southward yankee migration to Florida, it'll not remain red for much longer. Arizona is quickly becoming California east, Illinois . . . well they're there already. We're quickly becoming very polar in our seperation between urban dwellers (who will soon be the majority of our population) and the rest of us reasonable real Americans. Say Hillary gets elected and in '08 the Dems pick up enough senate seats to prevent a fillabuster. That'll begin a not-so-slow erosion of civil liberties and a rise of . . . well, let's call it what it is - communism.

What if then, the governor of say an Idaho or Arkansas or Mississippi calls BS and signs a succession bill from the state legislature into into law.

Anyone who thinks a 21st century civil war in our nation is beyond the scope of possibility may well consider the above. Trust me, I am not taken to tin foil headgear at all, but even I can see this happening in our children's generation if not ours.

In my limited military experience Guard LT's don't go to the latrine without orders from somewhere above, so would be interesting to see if this is more than an oddball occurence.
 
Are we Guardsmen being subtly desensitized to fighting fellow americans?
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Yep

When I was in I was on the riot control team
The sgts at that time said that the hardest thing to train into our heads was that these were Americans not enemy troops
Looks like they might be going the other way now
 
ServiceSoon

When they have fired upon state militias, every one in the state becomes involved, from the highway patrol to easily deputized willing civilians that own good weapons.

You have to understand, if they fired upon a state militia, they fired upon american citizens. If they are captured by a state ran group, the state gets to set the penalty.

Then you have to think of the long term consequences. Military vets of a certain age would no longer be considered protectors of the country, but active threats. No more leave. No going home after the terms of service are up, because they would likely be killed by the neighbors who have seen the affection the soldiers have for them by firing on locals.

Then there is the feud angle. Your son's orginization shot my son, bang. The soldiers family is laying dead on the ground.

Shooting on a state militia is effectively the start of civil war II.
 
I found that survey mentioned above. :scrutiny:

45. I would swear to the following code: "I am a United Nations fighting person. I serve in the forces which maintain world peace and every nation's way of life. I am prepared to give my life in their defense."

46. The U.S. government declares a ban on the possession, sale transportation, and transfer of all non-sporting firearms. A thirty (30) day amnesty period is permitted for these firearms to be turned over to the local authorities. At the end of this period, a number of citizen groups refuse to turn over their firearms. Consider the following statement: I would fire upon U.S. citizens who refuse or resist confiscation of firearms banned by the U.S. government.
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http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/419.html
 
Brerrabbit is right, that would effectively be the beginning of the third revolution in this country.

ARTiger, don't count Florida out, the majority of those Yankees are retirees very few of them bring their children and when they do they have one at the most. It's funny really in the small cities and towns in Florida, we still have Southern accents. In the big cities and coastal communities, you feel like a child if you are younger than 60. Anyways, the crackers are still here....
 
Not just a militia but a state militia? Your location says VT, is that where you were training? VT has a state guard, or militia, separate from the VT National Guard (last time I checked anyways...), though one doesn't hear much about them generally. There are also, of course, private militias in VT. But he said state militia?

Are they anticipating state secession or a rebellion against the federal government? Sounds like it to me...

That old survey about firing on fellow citizens, serving the Un, etc., is a nice piece of evidence that our govt. is seeking some sort of one world govt./NWO type thing, in which we, of course, will be disarmed and enslaved. We really are reaching dangerous times.
 
Wow, you guys need to go back and read the US Constitution. The government is supposed to supress insurrection otherwise there is no government. Insurrection implies some knd of organized force or a militia. This would be a likely mission for the National Guard.

Why is insurrection so unreasonable to assume? There have been several since the country was founded. I have seen people on this very board stupidly advocating that very thing. Not to have a plan to deal with such a contingency would be the height of foolishness.
 
And there's a right to seccession in the Constitution (remember, any powers not given to the feds are reserved by the states and people), so, then it's no longer an insurrection when it's a foreign country at that point.

Are you also ignoring what that survey suggests?
 
Having a plan and using it are two different critters. Starting a civil war is probably an unintended consequence, but that is quite likely the end result of firing on a state militia. How many of the guardsmen firing live in the state, you do realize they can never go home afterwards, right? You do understand that anyone in the military at that time will be heavily ostracized.
 
OK, I am somewhat confused by what you've described.

Was the actual state militia helping you train, by serving as an OPFOR (aka simulating a foreign threat)?

Or were troops being used to simulate a hypothetical "state militia", where the training objective was to disarm or defeat a generic civilian group?

If its the former, thats pretty normal. For example, here one of the Texas State Guard's roles is to help in training the Texas National Guard. Usually in logistical roles, but could be implemented as an OPFOR if requested.

If its the latter, yes thats sort of disturbing.
 
Never seen such a survey. Been around a really long time and done lots of surveys and no one ever asked me to swear allegiance to the UN.

Did not see the right to secession in the COTUS, please show me that one. Do recall a civil war that did not go well.

But I am not talking about that anyway. In the unlikely event a state house voted to move out that would likely result in war, but more likely would be a looney group of criminals wanting to express themselves by selling drugs, check kiting and then declaring themselves a sovereign nation. All the while calling themselves the California militia. Maybe blowing up a federal building and for fun then closing some roads.
 
I still remember the difference between a lawful order and an unlawful order. It is a very clear distinction in this case.

Perhaps your squad mates could benefit from some discussion/history lessons on this subject. (Start with Lt Calley and My Lai.)

Perhaps your butterbar LT would likewise benefit from some one-on-one recurrent training, preferably from a senior (we used to call them "crusty" in my day) NCO.

I took my oath seriously, and I see that you do too. Thank you for your service to our Country, and keep on doing what you know is right.
 
That was a little weird.

As a former member of the Massachusetts State Guard and a current member of the New Hampshire National Guard (C Co. 3/172 INF (MTN)) I definitely would have been asking the Louie for some clarification.

When I did OPFOR, we were the militia of the glorious republic of Karjackistan.

BTW, TDI, do you normally train at Jericho?
 
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