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Scenario for 2008?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Texpatriate, Oct 5, 2005.

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  1. Texpatriate

    Texpatriate Member

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    Interesting to think about but perhaps the elephants will forget their anger. I like to think about long term big picture things. The conservative talking heads are all hacked at Bush right now over Harriet Miers- Limbaugh, Colter, and even George F. Will- the list goes on. It remains to be seen whether she will survive confirmation, but will this frustration fire up the Republican base in 2008 (a long time from now addmitedly) to the point that they will nominate an ultra-conservative along the lines of Pat Buchanon or Barry Goldwater? And if in so doing, will this cause moderates to jump ship and elect Hilary? In my experiece conservative republican voters tend to be a lot less forgetful than their liberal democrat counterparts.
     
  2. NCP24

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    The Hilary Beast yuck!!!!! Lets hope not.
     
  3. longeyes

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    Politics is called the art of the possible for good reason. If you want to exert power you need to compromise. Up to a point. The question for '08 is what will those of us on the Right be asked to give up in order to "keep power?" We thought, ironically, we HAD power when Bush was elected, TWICE, but it's become apparent that the values we expected to see promoted and strengthened are becoming phantasmal. There are trends in this country that need to be stopped, not merely absorbed or domesticated, otherwise we won't recognize America in a few years. Illegal immigration is one issue. The implications of Kelo are another. Promiscuous governmental debting is yet another. Many others. A third party, farther to the right, would be no surprise.
     
  4. charby

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    Please don't paint me as a commie...

    I think Hillary would be an effective president, she really isn't as screaming leftist as people paint her to be, granted she isn't a strong second amendment supporter mainly because she doesn't have the knowledge that we have a bout firearms, I think this applies to most of the folks who support gun laws. Hillary's downfall is that she has a Y chromosome and that will not allow her to be elected to deep rooted prejudice in all segments of society.

    Really what America needs for out leadership is a progressive movement that encapsulates the best things about conservative and liberal ideals.

    There needs to be smaller more effective government

    A effective environmental/conservation movement

    A sense of community among all Americans but allow individualism to grow

    Industries such as media and utilities need to be regulated again, get a lot more smaller groups owning less than a few owning large segments

    Earnings needs to be more balanced between upper management and the rest of the workers, a spirit of entrepenurialism needs to be pushed

    Illegal immigration needs to be stopped

    People need to be held accountable for their actions

    A strong need to keep religion out the government

    A push to encourage parents to teach there children

    A way to stop generations of welfare recipients

    Hold elected officials responsible for mistakes

    My two cents worth

    Charby
     
  5. idakfan

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    Not a commie...


    1. Klinton for smaller Gov? I Believe It!
    2. Klinton for closed Southern border? I Belive It!
    3. Klinton for private/home schooling instead of Gov. Indoctrination Camps? I Belive It!

    Hillary in 2008 people. You heard it here, SHE'S NOT SO BAD!

    :uhoh:
     
  6. NCP24

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    Yes she is the Hilary Beast yuck!!!!!
     
  7. thereisnospoon

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    Longeyes +1
     
  8. longeyes

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    Hillary is the answer.

    To the wrong question.
     
  9. Henry Bowman

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    I recently had an oppotunity to speak personally with Mitch McConnell (R-Ky), Senate Majority Whip. He confirmed that the majority in the Senate is a fragile one. There is not a conservative majority, just a majority of Senators with an "R" after their name. As Republican Whip his power over the other Rep members "is all carrot and no stick."

    He described the Senate as "100 people all of whom were their class president." The misbehavers get the Whip's attention and those who tow the conservative line get jealouse. The "gang of 14" 7 Ds and 7 Rs) have shown their power. There are enough liberal Republicans who, if discounted, would eliminate the Rep majority. Likewise, there are enough moderate Dems that they could break any pseudo-fillibuster.*

    His advice: Don't focus on getting rid of the RINOs. Focus on replacing the Democrat Senators in solidly red states. This would move the Repub majority over 60% and make the conservatives closer to 50%.



    *There hasn't been an actual fillibuster in more than a decade.
     
  10. gc70

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    Hillary really isn't a screaming leftist - she's more of an old-style communist.

    She also doesn't look as comfortable trying to wear the middle-of-the-road disguise as Bill did, although she will fool some people.
     
  11. Camp David

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    ME TOO! That way she can return to the White House the furniture she stole earlier! :eek:
     
  12. Waitone

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    We will see what 2008 looks like by looking at 2006. If Bush doesn't straighten up and fly right according to the dictates of his base, there will be no republican domination in congress in 2006 and the presidency is in doubt in 2008. Chances of democrats making gains by themselves are slim. They will make their gains when the republican base says, "that's it, I'm through." Throughout his first and into his second term, BushRove driving point is "Where they gonna go?" Well, it now is apparent that sticking with republicans is implementing the democrat's agenda. The next step is to dispense with imitation democrats in favor of the real McCoy.

    Perhaps the best thing to happen to Bush would be for Miers to be rejected by republicans. Bush will have option but listen because at that point the prospects of his party are in danger. The man has PO'd entirely too many of his supporters. It can not continue.
     
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    They have already lost me, and it doesn't matter what Bush does at this point. I will either vote Democrat (if they run a moderate), or not at all.
     
  14. HankB

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    I intensely dislike Hillary. But consider this: in some recent public statements, she's actually positioned herself to the right of George Bush on issues like illegal immigration and border security.

    What does that say about "our" man who defeated John Kerry?
     
  15. Correia

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    Hank, it says that Hillary is the smarter politician.

    Her senate record is actually very conservative. Because she is smart, and learned from Kerry's mistakes. She is a communist to the pit of her black shrivelled soul.

    She would be an effective president, if you define effective as calculating and evil.
     
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    Hillary is not a communist, she is full of socialist ideas. Just making a correction.

    If the GOP puts another Good Ol' Boy up for President I might consider voting for the other party. I voted for W on both elections, I don't regret my choice but lately I have been pretty disenchanted with the course he has been taking.
     
  17. charby

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    dup... to quick with mouse click
     
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    If the GOP puts another Good Ol' Boy up for President I might consider voting for the other party. I voted for W on both elections, I don't regret my choice but lately I have been pretty disenchanted with the course he has been taking.


    I also think that Bush is alienating his base, and has been doing so for some time. His only redeeming qualities seem to have been that he enacted the tax cuts and was not afraid of world opinion in taking down Saddam. I think his first Supreme Court pick was adequate, but not necessarily excellent. We don't necessarily know about the second pick at this time.

    Govt. has grown tremendously under Bush. He was luke warm on the elimination of the AWB, and even publicly stated that he supported it at one point in time during his first campaign.

    He has put forth a huge new entitlement program in prescription drugs for SR.'s. He has increased spending on education and glad handed Teddy the Bull Frog Kennedy in the process.

    He has all but abandoned any plans of reforming SS.

    I don't necessarily kick my self in the kiester for voting for him (twice), but I am scratching my head more and more everyday wondering how he has been good for conservative ideologies.
     
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    I already don't recognize it anymore .... :(
     
  20. charby

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    Problem is that he doesn't listen when he is being told he isn't doing the right thing.
     
  21. longhorngunman

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    Hard to push things like SS reform through when you have a majority on paper but no real support from the congresscritters. Like Bowman said our "Republican" senators are all a bunch of me first, number 1 quarterback types, when actually we and the president need some down and dirty offensive lineman in there. With me it's an open book on Miers, actually the more I hear the more I like Bush's choice. Sad to face reality but if my personal favorite, Judge Janice Rogers Brown had been selected the Dems would have torn her apart with her past comments and our linguini-spined RINOS would not have voted for her. Those who say Bush is not a true conservative are absolutely right, but he is as close to a conservative as we can get in this ever socialist leaning country of ours. When he ran in 2000, it wasn't as a Reagan conservative but as a "compassionate conservative" :rolleyes: and that is exactly what we got. His leadership on the WOT which is a multi-front war has been superb though and even better than I imagined he would do.
     
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    I'll say it again: We are the minority and need to think of how to protect the legacy of the Founding Fathers. That means reinforcing states' rights and, if necessary, working to create some form of regional autonomy. Does that sound extreme, crazy? Maybe. I just don't see "a unified America" meaning anything but a continuing slide toward a centrally-controlled welfare state that will put people like us into de facto subjugation.
     
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    Hope y'all don't mind just a little bit of nit picking, but in the original post I think what the author meant was that Hillary LACKS a Y chromosone, not that she has one. Women have XX, men have XY.
     
  24. Rufus Pisanus

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    I have a bridge to sell you...It's in her "home" state in fact!

    She is - unfortunately for us - smart. It is clear that her senate seat it's only a jumping board for something better. She is purely and simply an actor trying to show people with a short memory - and that have forgotten her initiatives in CLinton's first term, the book "It takes a village" etc - that she is not ultra liberal but rather mainstream. She even waved shotguns when campaigning in New York. I am sure we would see a lot of her hunting but, being smart (unlike Kerry), she would take a class first...
     
  25. Standing Wolf

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    Which ones are the Republicrats again? Are you sure the Democans aren't in the majority? I can't tell them apart even with a score card.
     
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