scenario-"When is it ok to strike?"

[Sean85746]

You see it in their eyes. You can see that shoulder start to drop, just before they get ready to throw the punch.

You KNOW when it is coming. They have started, whether they know it or not, to get ready to hit you. They may not have comitted to action consciously, but they are moving toward it.

HIT THEM! Do whatever you have to do, RIGHT NOW. Nowhere does it say you have to take the punch as long as you REASONABLY believed it was coming. If there is intent, and the ability to commit the assault...you can, as a reasonable person, take steps neccessary to defend yourself.

After all...a good defense is only truly good, when you don't have to use it...i.e. when you know the attack is coming, you attack first, and are no longer is a defensive posture. You are in control, or hopefully you are.

No matter...you must be alive to be charged with anything.

Truthfully, if there are no witnesses....the first person to call 911 is the "victim". Be sure you call first.

But, don't allow yourself to be hit, just because you are afraid of the legalities. Hit first, hit hard, and hit until the threat is gone.

Amen, Dominus Ominus...

 

[Sean85746]

Let us not get into math.

I was speaking of the KNOWING you get, you aren't LOOKING at their shoulder...you see it as a whole picture IF you are aware of the situation.

You KNOW it is coming. THAT is what I was trying to convey.

Don't start talking about statistics as though you were reading a book by Johnny Karate.

I KNOW someone with a knife can cover 21 feet in 1.5 seconds...YAY for them. What I am talking about is YOU being aware, and you being ready for what is coming.

If you've been there, you KNOW it.

And to tell you the truth, I have yet to bring a stopwatch to a fight.

Sorry if I sound a bit caustic...I am just tired of so-called experts with no real world experience spouting tactics, doctrine, best way to take out an entrenched adversary, et al, ad nauseum, yada yada freakin' yada.

To be breif..if YOU KNOW THE HIT IS COMING GET KNEE DEEP IN THEIR BUTT!

 

[Sean85746]

I am not drawing my gun because no one has mentioned "gun".

I am not backing away because, as the question has already stated, all attempts at leaving have not worked.

I am not putting obstacles between myself and "him" because that may mean exposing my back.

This discussion was about a face to face, up close, in your face encounter, where all else had already failed. That moment, where it is ON, and there is NO going back.

And as for your "slow and stupid" comment, you will notice I typed in my first statement...HIT THEM NOW.

I don't know about you, but if I pulled my gun on everyone that falls into your categories of threat, I'd be in jail.

'Nuff said.

I m not turning this into a peeing in the sandbox match.

 

[Ryder]

In MI if the gun is presented you better shot and have a real good reason for doing so.

Yup, I was instructed the same. I believe it is a poison pill put in the legislation by the liberals so that CCW permit holders end up looking bloodthirsty when they get around to repealing the law.

But hey, if that's the way they want it that's the way they get it. I think it's a shame for anyone who decides to get frisky since I can't risk a fist fight and have the X-rays to prove it. I'd much rather give them the opportunity to back off.

 

[sigmaman]

WT said it right

attack when he balls up a fist
worry about the law after wards
just use enough force to stop imminent attack and no more
cause after self defense it becomes assault

 

[joerng]

you first

stricking first is always best. do not let anyone hit you first... would you let him shoot first? hell know.

 

[MinScout]

I've thought about this before. I'm not going to trade punches with some dude and possibly get my clock cleaned. First I'd give him a verbal warning to leave me alone and then try to remove myself from the situation. If that did'nt work, I'd find the nearest rock, stick, bottle, or chair and clobber him with it as hard as I could.

 

[victory]

first off, you can diffuse most fights with clear concise verbal commands. try yelling "stop, go away, someone call the police!"

Punks don't like attention being drawn to them.

Secondly, i hope every one of your firearm instructors has told you to carry pepper spray. If not, i'm telling you. Nothing takes the fight out of someone like 5.3 million SHU's of fox labs to the face.

Thirdly, if still attacking, draw the gun on him and order him to stop. I don't care if it is michigan, because you're not bluffing. You are pulling your gun with the intent to kill him as counter measures 1 and 2 didn't work. If that's really how michigan law reads (which i seriously doubt) simply tell the cop that you wanted to shoot him really badly, but he just ran away too quick. If they arrest you for holding him at gunpoint, ask the officer for your gun back so you can correct the oversight with two rounds to the back of the head

 

[victory]

duplicate post

 

[wdlsguy]

Secondly, i hope every one of your firearm instructors has told you to carry pepper spray. If not, i'm telling you. Nothing takes the fight out of someone like 5.3 million SHU's of fox labs to the face.

Which size do you carry? Are the 11 gram units sufficient?