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wow, i haven't been keeping up with this story. was always skeptical about paying a premium for this stuff...easier just to wash clothes in scent-neutral detergent.

Suit says clothes don't pass smell test
Four Minnesotans claim that a company that makes scent-disguising clothing has duped hunters out of millions of dollars by selling them a product that doesn't work.

By Doug Smith, Star Tribune Last update: September 23, 2007 – 12:55 AM

Deer hunters know that if a whitetail's sensitive snout gets wind of human scent, it'll flee in alarm -- and the hunt is over.

That's why hunters, including 500,000 in Minnesota, spend millions of dollars each year buying special hunting clothing with activated carbon that promises to eliminate human odors.

Now that clothing, which has been on the market for about a dozen years and is sold by virtually every major outdoor retailer in the nation, is under fire.

A lawsuit filed Sept. 13 in U.S. District Court in Minneapolis alleges the clothing doesn't work and that hunters have been -- and continue to be -- defrauded.

The suit was filed against ALS Enterprises Inc. of Muskegon, Mich., which produces and licenses "Scent-Lok" clothing sold under that name and others, including ScentBlocker. The suit says the company is the largest maker of such clothing and licenses it to at least 22 others, including Gander Mountain Co., Cabela's Inc., Bass Pro Shops Inc. and Browning Arms Co. Those four firms also are named as defendants.

The suit alleges the five firms conspired to deceive consumers and suppressed and concealed the truth. "Consumers have been duped into spending significant amounts of money on a product that does not work as represented," the suit says.

A spokesman for Gander Mountain, the only Minnesota-based firm being sued, declined to comment. Mike Andrews, vice president of marketing for ALS, said the suit is without merit.

"We've done years of research ... we have hundreds of testimonials from consumers over the years," he said last week. "We know it works. And we're excited about the opportunity to prove to the world once and for all how effective our product is."

Added Andrews: "We have a written guarantee that says you'll experience unalarmed wild animals downwind. You don't build this kind of business on something that's not true."

The company says testing done for it by Intertek Testing Services in Cortland, N.Y., has shown its fabric performs as claimed. It also cites supportive studies by S. Holger Eichhorn of the University of Windsor in Ontario and Donald B. Thompson of North Carolina State University.

ALS is a privately held company, and Andrews wouldn't reveal sales figures, but some have estimated the activated carbon hunting clothing business may be worth $100 million annually.

Four men who bought the clothing -- Mike Buetow of Shakopee, Theodore Carlson of Edina, Gary Richardson Jr. of St. Paul and Joe Rohrbach of Shakopee -- are named as plaintiffs in the suit. But attorneys are seeking class-action status, meaning it would be argued on behalf of all those who bought the clothing. The suit says "tens of thousands" of Minnesota hunters have been deceived into buying millions of dollars of odor-eliminating clothing.

Buetow, a bow hunter, said he and the others can't comment on the case on the advice of attorneys. He said he bought $1,000 worth of Scent-Lok gear -- including pants, coats, face masks, hats and gloves -- in 2003.

The lawsuit is just the latest salvo fired at ALS and its sellers. The question of whether the company's clothing works as claimed has been the topic of Internet chat rooms for about the past year.

And a Minnesotan -- T.R. Michels, 57, of Burnsville, an outdoor writer, author, hunting guide and frequent hunting seminar speaker who has his own website (www.trmichels.com) -- acknowledges he is responsible for raising much of the stink.

"Hunters have been screwed," he said. "They have been misled. And they [companies] are making tons of money off the stuff."

He said he has no ax to grind and began looking at the clothing because his job as a writer and outdoor expert is to "look into myths and dispell them."

Said Michels: "I was lied to, and that really ticked me off."

He is not involved in the lawsuit, and won't be because, while he has used Scent-Lok clothing, he's never purchased it, he said. However, Michels has questioned the performance of the clothing with the U.S. Patent Office and has posted numerous exchanges he's had with the company on his website and others.

He said outdoor magazines won't write about the issue for fear of losing lucrative advertising dollars for the hunting clothing, and that he has lost freelance work because of his stance.

Everyone claims science is on their side.

ALS has created a new section on the company's website (www.scentlok.com) to explain how the activated carbon adsorbs human odors. (Adsorption is the adhesion of the gas or liquid molecules to the surfaces of solids.) Andrews said independent experts have verified the company's findings.

"It does work as described," Andrews said. "Unfortunately some people refuse to look at the data we've provided."

No one disputes that activated carbon adsorbs odors. But even ALS acknowledges the carbon can become saturated with odors. Andrews says the company's clothing can be "regenerated" or "reactivated" many times by putting it in a regular household dryer for 45 minutes. Then it's ready to adsorb more odors.

"We know that even after several years of use, it still has enough adsorption capacity to overcome big game animals' [scenting ability]," Andrews said.

But the lawsuit and Michels dispute that.

The suit says that dryer temperatures never exceed 150 degrees, but temperatures in excess of 800 degrees are needed to reactivate the carbon, and even then it wouldn't be restored to full adsorptive capacity.

The suit doesn't cite any independent testing done on the clothing that shows it doesn't work.

"Defendants knew or should have known that their odor-eliminating clothing cannot, as a matter of science, eliminate all human odors ... or render a human body scent-invisible to a deer or other game animals," the suit states.

The suit says that had hunters known that the clothing doesn't eliminate all human odors and cannot be regenerated in household dryers, they wouldn't have bought it.

The suit also claims the defendants violated the Minnesota Consumer Fraud Act, the Minnesota Uniform Deceptive Trade Practices Act, the Minnesota Unlawful Trade Practices Act and involved civil conspiracy.

Andrews said ALS will vigorously fight the suit.
http://www.startribune.com/outdoors/story/1438361-p2.html
 
I've used a scent lok leave suit for year on the ground hunting deer and I wouldnt use else...I love it and believe it works. For God's sake I have been able to spit on deer, they have gotten so close.
 
As an avid bowhunter, I've used some of the scent blocking gear for about 4 years.
It's not magic.
It does work to REDUCE the chances of being winded by a whitetail, as part of an overall plan. My tactics include scent-free (OK how bout I use the term "minimally scented"?) boots, gear, gloves, etc. I pay attention to all of my gear. I also pay attention to WHAT and WHEN I eat (since I have been unable to suspend my breathing while hunting). The best scent-block clothing ain't gonna help you if you just had a grilled onion pepperoni and smoked sardine sandwich.
Think of your scent as a "stream" of scent particles going downwind and reacting to thermals. You can't shut it off entirely, but you can reduce it to a trickle instead of a gushing torent. The trickle might just be light enough to be missed by that animal downwind.
[sniff] I smell a lawyer who smells some money in this story.
 
I used to hunt wearing a surplus US Army MOPP suit. For those without military experience, It is a dark green jacket and pants lined heavily with activated charcoal, designed to protect you from chemical weapons. I had deer walk so close to me I could reach out and grab them. In fact I once swatted a doe on the tail to get her away from me.

Activated charcoal works, it will not make up for people that stink. Take a shower once in a while. The suit also has a limited shelf life. then it will require recharging using heat.
 
Yep, I've used the MOPP suite a time or two myself. I have 3 more still in packages sitting in my shed. Downside is the charcoal coating you get after you take it off.
 
Activated charcoal works, it will not make up for people that stink.

Not to be a jerk, but there are plenty of times I've smelt people out hunting, reeking of stale beer and body odor. If I can smell you 50 feet away, imagine how far away a deer will be able to smell you. If you don't have a shower, get a bucket of water and a washcloth. Don't even get me started on smokers. I used to be one, and now I can literally smell it a mile away in the woods. I almost wish for just one day of having a deer's senses, to better understand what I'm up against.
 
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During the "04" season I had an experience that I'll never forget, and leads me to believe the suit works. This guy sniffed me,,not the ground I had passed over or the air downwind, he sniffed ME. We "shared a moment," one Oct. afternoon at the edge of a bean field. With his nose 6-8 inches away from my face, time seemed to pause, after three big sniffs I was accepted as harmless and he walked away to join the others. Two weeks later we shared another moment, I had to lay flat on the ground to let him pass my front and from 35 yards on one knee, filled my tag.:p
 
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Huge difference between old bucks and does, at least during the non-rut times. If you can fool a big, old buck, I'll guarantee it works. I've had multiple bucks walk downwind when I was wearing Scent-Lok.

You'll always get some idiot that stores his clothes in a garage with gas cans, chemicals, and oils and wonder why the deer can smell him.
 
I don't think deer are as alarmed at "human oder" as they are at the perfumed scents contained in the products we use.
Most soap, shampoo, deoderant, laundry detergent, fabric softners, all have added scents. This is what alarms most deer. I buy scent free versions of all these products & start using them a week before I hunt & all season long. I haven't had a deer wind me in years. I change my clothes when I return to camp so as to not get "camp smells" in my clothes.
If you use scent free products & wash yourself daily (just a sponge bath if you have no access to facilities) you will find very few deer will ever wind you. Native americans didn't have charcoal suits & they killed plenty of deer, enough to survive on.
 
Please understand that from the beginning of time until about 1880, soap was unheard of among American Indians. The arid country of western states does not lend itself to daily baths even if the creek waters were clean. From this backdrop of facts we can surmise that human scent was likely quite strong, yet these hunters did pretty well with primitive stone tipped arrows and home made gear.

Now it's the new millennium and American hunters do not hunt for meat anymore. Its become a family event for some. For others its an annual quest for bragging size trophy animals. Vast sums of money are spent to upgrade or buy new gear.

Your success this year will not be determined by gear. Your success will be determined by effort, knowledge, and a little luck.

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Good hunting to you.
TR
 
Your success this year will not be determined by gear. Your success will be determined by effort, knowledge, and a little luck.

Agreed, the harder you work, the luckier you get.
 
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"our success this year will not be determined by gear. Your success will be determined by effort, knowledge, and a little luck.

Agreed, the harder you work, the luckier you get.
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I've put a cigarette out and shot deer at pistol range all in the same breath.

That said, I'll side with luck on those few occasions. But I honestly don't buy into all the scent lock stuff. A recently showered human with clean hunting cloths that puts him/herself up/side wind of prey, is reasonably concealed, limits body motion, has a pretty good chance of getting a deer.

I was down wind from a guy a couple years ago. Probably 70 yards. I could smell his bad breath from that far away. While that may be extreme, I'll bet that the deer did too.

If the charcoal hunting cloths really do limit the amount of human oder, or not, It would be of some advantage to do so. Still, I think there's a lot of hype and propaganda to a lot of it.

-Steve
 
Reduction is the key. And it may confuse the odor enough to make deer think you're something other than a person. But as far as eliminating all scent, forget about it. Deer smell in layers, and it would be virtually impossible to eliminate all scent without putting you in a pressure suit and hosing you with chlorine.

I wonder if the clothing would work for bear, wolves or other predators with legendary noses. Probably not.

Two weeks later we shared another moment, I had to lay flat on the ground to let him pass my front and from 35 yards on one knee, filled my tag

LOL
 
I wonder what kind of Scent Blocker native Americans used?? Where I hunt people are always in the woods cutting timber so all the animals are used to have people around.
 
I've started using "Scent Away" spray the last few years and do believe it works. I think activated charcoal suits also work, but my main beef with them is that SO MUCH of your perpersation comes out of your head and off your face that unless you're in a fully encapsulated suit, I don't think that Scent Lok pants and t-shirts are doing a whole heck of a lot of good. It's attention to detail, not touching brush on the way in, hunting with the wind in your favor (even for stand hunters) and then, if you've done everything else right, the charcoal activated suits might just give you a tiny edge.

Cosmoline's post says a whole lot of smart stuff.
 
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Activated carbon is really cheap and plentiful. If the company sells clothing where they purposely defraud the consumer into thinking renewing activated carbon can be done in a dryer, instead of allowing a way to replace the carbon yourself, that just sucks.
 
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