Scope : how much beating

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Greetings,

How much beating a Burris Fulfield 2, Nikon or Leupold can take and still keep its zero?

I know they can't compare to ACOG, but I am curious to know how resistant they are?

How much resistant are the PSOP Russian compared to the American scope I pointed?

Thank you
 
Sounds like an episode for Myth Busters or the Box of Truth guys!:D

All I can say is I lived in Texas and flew to Michigan for deer season for several years. My fav rifle was scoped with an old Vari-XII. I would zero in Texas and then check it once I got to the property. It was never off by much and sometimes it was still dead-on. That says a lot to me, as IME those baggage handlers ain't too gentle.

I've had great service from an old, Made in USA Burris FFII 2 X 7 too. It hasn't been subjected to the same level of abuse as the Leupold, but I think it would hold up just fine.
 
Greetings,

I know ACOG can take combat situation beating. Let' say a notch or two under combat situation beating. Let's say I run, jump, crawl, shoot 30-06 rounds.

Not your bench rest rifle.

Thank you
 
What is the point of a scope in a combat situation? Unless in a sniper role and then the sniper protects his rifle and optics as if they were his children.
 
Greetings,

I know that. I cherish my rifle as much as I can. It is a rhetorical question.

If I want rugged, and I wanted it, I got an ACOG on my AR and a Eotech on my Sig.

Thank you
 
I've often wondered this myself. I don't purposely beat on any scope however, in hunting situations they are hard to protect so much. Seems like guns get dropped, beat around in trucks, and just not taken the best care of. What about riding in the truck with it and it bouncing around going up rough gravel roads. Does it need to be in a case? What about the guys that lay the gun on the seat?

The Leupold VX-I I had move kind of easy. I dropped it on carpet and it was several inches higher than it had previously been. I have a Simmons that's been dropped and beat on and still has always stayed zeroed. My Burris has also always stayed zero but hasn't been dropped or anything.
 
I fell from a 6 foot bridge with my rifle across my back. I landed right on top of my rifle and scope (Ruger M77 and Nikon Prostaff). The bottom at this point in the creek was hard sand at about 6" deep. So, my 300lbs fell flat on my rifle and scope, which were completely submerged in sand and mud. I didn't shoot that day, but I could have. When I checked the zero it was dead on. I've been impressed. This scope has held up to THAT and hundreds of rounds of full house 308 loads and never missed a beat (well, didn't miss the beatings LOL).
 
Its not a Rhetorical Question. Its a question that should be Expected by every Manufacture out there. If surefire can shoot there product and it can still work, then a scope should be able to be ran over and still function properly.
 
I have had a Burris Fullfield on my primary deer rifle for a bit over 10 years and it has never lost zero. I am not particularly gentle with the rifle. It's a nice scope for how inexpensive it is.
 
You're talking apples and oranges comparing ASOG to Leupold, Nikon, Burries, etc. One is for crude pointing, the other category for aiming. Which do you intend to do?
 
My Nikon broke in half !

I just returned from the range and I had 2 scoped rifles in a dbl gun case. I unpacked all of the groceries, targets, gun cases, etc., etc. Some was unpacked on the other side of the truck and I forgot. After bringing in everything and putting stuff away I went back out to back the truck into the Arch bldg.

"Bump" !?!​

I hit the brakes but knew immediately what had happened. My right rear tire was on top of the case. After getting the truck off the case I looked inside of the demolished case only to find (what I thought was) 2 undamaged rifles and scopes. Well............... I was correct about the 2 rifles and one of the scopes but the Nikon was snapped in half but still fairly straight. I didn't catch the damage until the next day when I shot both just to make sure the zero was on. The .300 Win.Mag. with the Nikon was only 68" off at 100 yds. That's when I noticed that the scope had a slight bend in it.
Nikon told me that it would be more expensive to repair it than what I could buy a new one for.
I now use it as a spotting scope!
 
Had a friend drop his Ruger 44 lever action rifle at the range, onto the concrete, directly onto the scope. Just slipped right out of his hands as we were leaving.

Put a good dent in the objective and cracked the glass.

It was either a higher end Leupold or Zeiss. He always bought things more on price than researching what he needed. If it was crazy expensive and super powerful, that was the scope for him. Either way, he was not happy that day. The only plus from it all was that the rifle was fine. The scope took the fall for the rifle.
 
So is is there basically little chance from having them lose zero from riding around in a plastic gun case with egg crate foam stuff like you would get from wally world? What about if you just layed it on the seat? Or had it with the butt stock in between two seats and the muzzle on the floor with nothing touching the scope? What about with it laying like that but sideways so the scope rests on the seat. In situations like that are most scopes unlikely to lose zero or would it be pretty common?
 
>>You're talking apples and oranges comparing ASOG to Leupold, Nikon, Burries, etc. One is for crude pointing, the other category for aiming. Which do you intend to do?

Have you ever used an ACOG? They're not high-magnification scopes, but their glass is as good as anything I have ever used and work just fine for precision shooting. They don't have quick adjustment turrets, but neither do most of the basic Leupold, Nikon, Burris, etc. scopes that people use (I am aware that some of them do, even most of them among a certain subset of enthusiast).

>>So is is there basically little chance from having them lose zero from riding around in a plastic gun case with egg crate foam stuff like you would get from wally world? What about if you just layed it on the seat? Or had it with the butt stock in between two seats and the muzzle on the floor with nothing touching the scope? What about with it laying like that but sideways so the scope rests on the seat. In situations like that are most scopes unlikely to lose zero or would it be pretty common?

I haven't had a problem at all with this with my Burris Fullfield or any of the Leupold VX-IIs and VX-IIIs on my dad's rifles driving around with cased rifles and uncased rifles in trucks and Kawasaki Mules (4WD offroad golf carts, I guess?). I wouldn't let them slam on anything really hard, but wedged between the seats or laying on the seat is fine in my experience. Main thing is probably to make sure you have good rings and that they're mounted properly.
 
That's kind of what I thought. I've not had any issues on the guns I've had riding around in the truck. I've got several buddies that use their UTV's hunting so the gun is always riding bouncing around on the seat. They don't seem to have issues so I figured it must be fine.
 
The only thing that suffered from the fall was my ego :) The homemade swinging bridge (that was broken beforehand) had to weather a cussing rant unlike anything seen in those deer woods though. LOL
 
Greetings,

The ACOG on my AR is a TA11F. It is a 3x 30mm-ish with the Red chevron. The glass is VERY clear and brings a lot of light into the scope. In fact, at dawn, when I can't see with my naked eye, if I use the scope, I can see quite well. Enough to shoot a moving target like a deer. Of all the scopes I look through, the ACOG optic is at the top end. their 3x is giving me a shooting clarity that any cheap scope 9x can't beat. I shoot better with this 3x than my cheap Barksa 9x.

Anyway, this discussion tells me I would be well served with a Nikon or Fullfield at around 200$.

Thank you
 
"So is is there basically little chance from having them lose zero from riding around in a plastic gun case with egg crate foam stuff like you would get from wally world? What about if you just layed it on the seat? Or had it with the butt stock in between two seats and the muzzle on the floor with nothing touching the scope? What about with it laying like that but sideways so the scope rests on the seat. In situations like that are most scopes unlikely to lose zero or would it be pretty common?"

Like Jimmy, I've never had problems with older Burris or Leuopold Vari-X IIs, Rimfire scopes or VX 3s. I have had problems with other, less / inexpensive brands just not holding zero from one range session to the other.

One in particular would be off by several feet every time I took it to the range. Others have had very inconsistent adjustments to the point where you just SWAG how much the POI will move per click and go trial-and-error to sight it back in. This is important to me because if I switch ammo in the field, I want to know that all I need to do is raise or lower by X number of clicks and I'll be dead-on. A good scope will give you that precision along with durability.

IMO, normal handling, an occasional bump and a short drop should not affect zero. IME, with most mid-to-lower cost scopes, they do.
 
from shootr (post 22) :
I have had problems with other, less / inexpensive brands just not holding zero from one range session to the other.
One in particular would be off by several feet every time I took it to the range.
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Those scopes need to be gotten rid of as they're costing too much in ammo/frustration and all they can be used for is plinking.... certainly NOT hunting.
I would guess that you've checked the obvious thing here - loose base and/or ring screws. That's 95% of those kind of problems.

I used to have several Tasco (Chinese made), BSA & other cheap scopes and never had one "go out of zero" w/o some other suspected factor like dropping or a hard bump in the woods. I got rid of all of them due to other problems inherant to cheap scopes (not bright, not crisp/sharp or lack of accurate colors) but have never had a scope that "lost zero".
 
I've never purposely beaten/dropped any rifle/scope, but it does happen now and again.

I haven't traveled all over the world or anything, but I have put quite a few miles on horseback with a rifle in a scabbard and have never had any of my Leupolds change impact. Same scopes have had probably over a hundred miles in a four-wheeler scabbard and all came out just fine.

Few years back I jumped a small creek and slipped on the far side. My model 7 with a VXII 2-7 fell to the ground, scope first and than I landed on it. No marks were made, but I was sure it was going to be off. Checked it and it was fine.
 
From my own truck-bounces and rare falls to the floor, and from other folks' stories, it seems to me that most decent-brand scopes hold their settings pretty doggoned well.

FWIW, many years ago a Bausch & Lomb ad for their scopes showed using one to drive an 8d nail into a board--and guaranteed. However, my uncle ordered a 4X which arrived with the crosshairs all loose inside the scope. :D But, they quickly replaced it...
 
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