Scoped M94 Swede...

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The problem isn't the old sights or the old bolt handles, it's modern shooters who don't know how to use anything without a big honking scope on it.
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As some people get older their eyesight tends to "not be what it used to be"...
For some it is not an option to use iron sights at distance... I have never had to do it (yet) but I hear using irons with Bi-focals is a bitch...
 
That's going a little far, the Czechs make a darn good Mauser. I'd say more like comparing a Toyota to a Lexus.
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VZ-24s ar every well made- not unlike a Honda, but you'll see 1000 VZ-24s for sale for every M94.

The only good thing I can say is that at least its a 94/14 and not a true M94- M94s are an order of magnitude more rare and worth about twice as much as a m94/14
 
As far as performance goes, the M94s are very accurate. from the chronograph work I've done on them, they'll shoot about 100fps slower than an M96 with the same loads. I'd expect a 140gr bullet to be pushed to about 2450-2500fps out of a M94 carbine.
 
IMHO, what is done is done. It is a very nice rifle. I wish I have one like that.

If it were me, I will get a scope without the front bell. May be something 1x-4x range with generous eye relieve. It looks more pleasing to the carbine, and may be better in the wood.

Something like:
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This is from MidwayUSA -
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=252714&t=11082005
 
God what a shame, those are going for $800.00 on up. Looks like overkill to me ,on the scope size. I think I'll keep mine in original configuration.

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IMHO, what is done is done. It is a very nice rifle.
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I agree... :cool:

The only good thing I can say is that at least its a 94/14 and not a true M94- M94s are an order of magnitude more rare and worth about twice as much as a m94/14
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What is the difference between the two?

As far as performance goes, the M94s are very accurate. from the chronograph work I've done on them, they'll shoot about 100fps slower than an M96 with the same loads. I'd expect a 140gr bullet to be pushed to about 2450-2500fps out of a M94 carbine.
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So is it safe to say he can get "minute of coyote or groundhog" at around 300 meters..?
 
So , I just got a few pics from the carbine's owner...

I asked for one of the butt to show the repair/refinish


He also verified it is dated 1916

After having him review this thread and others, his reply to me was essentially this.... "He wasn't worried about the collector value of the carbine, he wanted what he wanted. The collectors would have never gotten their hands on this particular weapon as it is to be passed down. He wanted to take something that was, for him, not very usable and turn it into something worthwhile. In his opinion he improved an already superior weapon."

He said it is all matching as far as he can tell... There are the same 3 numbers marked in SEVERAL places on the weapon...
 
He said it is all matching as far as he can tell... There are the same 3 numbers marked in SEVERAL places on the weapon...
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Pretty much everything they could get a serial number on is serial numbered on a Swede. All should match the last 3 of the receiver's serial number.
 
That stock fill-in could have been reversed. The unit number usually went into the brass disc for M-94s, although I have seen a few with names or owners initials.
Being all matching numbers just compounds the crime.

Those carbines were deadly accurate at 300 yards as issued...
 
As soon as you start down the road, it's hard to stop. Once you've got a big modern scope on there, you realize quickly the stock is not set up for shooting with a scope. The ergonomics are all wrong. So then the stock gets hacked or replaced. Then you realize you can do better with a fully bent bolt. Or with a lower scope so you have to shave the irons off. Next thing you know it's got porting. Then you realize that the whole "projectile" idea is obsolete and put in a gamma-ray laser and fusion-pump power supply.
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Hey, what's wrong with that? It's not like you can hit a rodent at 300 lightyears with iron sights :confused:

(OK, seriously, he should have sold it and used a CZ).
 
The collectors would have never gotten their hands on this particular weapon as it is to be passed down. He wanted to take something that was, for him, not very usable and turn it into something worthwhile. In his opinion he improved an already superior weapon.
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"I had that old painting...what do they call it? The Mona Lisa I think. Yeah, that was a good picture but that old girl didn't look very happy...just sitting there smirking. So I drew on a great big smile with teeth showing and everything. Now I took a superior painting and improved it".

Sigh
 
What is the difference between the two?
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Most of the 94 carbines were upgraded to the m94/14 model starting in 1914. The difference is that the long metal strip with the bayonet lug was welded to the nose piece. A m94 has only a nose piece. Most of the surviving M94s are/were school or gallery carbines made for shooting reduced loads- they are extremely rare, and putting a scope on one would add double insult to injury as they normally have a slow twist rate in the rifling for shooting gallery loads.
 
He was and has been very adamant that selling the carbine was not an option...PERIOD! With that in mind he decided that it was better to adapt it to his use that have it be a dust gathering club. His view was that it came to him from the family and it was going to stay in the family.. Why not make it so HE could use it...
 
There's always the side that maybe his children or grandchildren might have had a lot more appreciation for what he had than he did- but who am I to judge:rolleyes:
 
"I had that old painting...what do they call it? The Mona Lisa I think. Yeah, that was a good picture but that old girl didn't look very happy...just sitting there smirking. So I drew on a great big smile with teeth showing and everything. Now I took a superior painting and improved it".

Sigh
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ROFL, nice analogy!

Anyone ever stop to think maybe ol' Lisa had no teeth, thus the casual smirk on her face? Maybe da Vinci had her figured out


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"Wow! jd, that is one beautiful M94. If you ever decide to part with it, PLEASE let me know."
Thank you , If I do I will.
 
"Idle hands do the devil's work"
I also believe that there is a balance between good and evil in the world.

I found this carbine back in february, its only the 2nd carbine I've seen in person for sale, and the first one was way out of my league pricewise and I've been looking for one for over 5 years.

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This is what it looks like now, though I'm not quite finished fitting the handguard- I just put it together well enough to shoot. Pictured behind is is a 1918 Carl Gustav M96:

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I'd love to get a unit disc and a sling, but they are both made out of unobtanium.
 
That's going a little far, the Czechs make a darn good Mauser. I'd say more like comparing a Toyota to a Lexus.
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If it were a run-of-the-mill M96 Swede, then I would agree with you. Or maybe even an M36. But this is a M94 carbine. They are exceedingly rare, as well as being from the family (Swede Mausers) that is one of the absolute finest rifles ever made. So I think being compared to a Bentley is pretty accurate.

Brno Czech Mausers (the VZ-24 among them) are very nice, but luckily they are more common. I have a Persian Mauser (another Brno-made Mauser) and like it a lot, but it is no Swede. Not by a long shot. The Swede is as close to perfection in a rifle that you will find, I think. A lot of it has to do with the 6.5x55 being such a perfect rifle round, but a lot has to do with the rifle's craftsmanship. The M94 is the crown jewel of the Swedes.
 
IMO

If he didn't want to sell and pass it done great. Down the road the M94's should only go up in price. Don't want to gather dust, Shoot it with the irons and get a moden rifle or better yet get a K31 get a no drill mount and he will have a tack driver.

But oh well what done is done.

Brion
 
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