Scotland eyes "common sense" legislation

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http://news.scotsman.com/glasgow.cfm?id=174882004

Stop sale of knives, says McConnell

JAMES DOHERTY AND ANDREW DENHOLM


POLICE and city leaders in Glasgow have welcomed a commitment from the Scottish Executive to consider a ban on the sale of knives and machetes over the counter.

Jack McConnell, the First Minister, yesterday told the Scottish Parliament that if shops did not stop selling offensive weapons, ministers would step in.

"I know that both Strathclyde Police and the city council in Glasgow are looking at what measures can be taken, not just to tackle the outcome of incidents, but to tackle the supply of weapons," he said. "There are far too many shopkeepers in Scotland selling weapons that should not be on the counter, never mind in anyone’s homes.

"They should stop or we will bring in regulations."

Mr McConnell’s comments have been welcomed in Glasgow, which has the highest murder rate in the UK.

Between 1999 and 2001, statistics showed the homicide rate in the city to be 58.7 per million of population - a figure higher than Belfast, twice as high as London and almost four times that of Edinburgh.

In 2003, there were 81 murders recorded in Glasgow.

Last year, police arrested 190 suspects who they found had concealed weapons during stop and searches.

A further 402 knives were found on those arrested for a range of crimes from assault, shoplifting and robbery to breach of the peace. However, the total of 592 weapons seized fell by more than one-fifth on the 2002 figure when 760 knives were detected.

Glasgow City Council will impose a ban on the sale of new and used weapons, including replica guns and swords, by licensed second-hand dealers and market operators.

A previous attempt to have a Glasgow shop remove all second-hand weapons ended in 2001 after the council admitted an order against Victor Morris, an Argyle Street store, was wrong because it did not have the legal powers to impose a ban. However, the introduction of new licence conditions should impact on traders in markets such as the Barras.

Jim Coleman the deputy leader of the council and chair of the city community safety forum, welcomed the First Minister’s comments but said that more of those caught with offensive weapons should be prosecuted and jailed.

He said: "If you can’t give a good reason for carrying a machete down a public thoroughfare then you should be locked up.

"I’m very happy that the First Minister may move to legislate against the sale of these knives. It would be good news for the city, because knives and knife crime is a major plague."

Mr Coleman questioned whether the procurator fiscal and courts were allowing too many offenders to remain on the streets after they have been found to have been carrying dangerous weapons.

He added: "There is an anomaly here with regard to the amount of knives confiscated by police and the amount of people who are prosecuted.

"I don’t think the legal system is matching the good work done by the police.

"If we are to really tackle knife crime, then there must be an adequate deterrent to stop thugs from carrying them in the first place."

Strathclyde Police has vowed to crackdown on blade- wielding vandals within the city centre, with every police officer on the beat being issued with a hand-held metal detector to identify concealed weapons.

The plan has been backed by the city’s licensing community and nightclub owners who have agreed to sponsor 20 of the detectors which cost between £100 and £150 each.

A spokesman for Strathclyde Police yesterday confirmed that officers were continuing with initiatives to take the blades away from criminals.

He said: "Strathclyde Police is concerned that a minority of people continue to carry weapons. However, officers are making inroads into reducing the numbers of weapons on the streets of Strathclyde.

"When weapons are used, it can prove very dangerous and Strathclyde Police continually work with our partner agencies to tackle this issue."
 
After all, it's only common sense that all citizens should be placed under house arrest, chained to their toilets and only escorted out by armed guards for approved functions like food shopping on a strictly scheduled basis.

Not only is this sensible measure for their own good, but it holds the promise of reducing crime to nearly zero.
 
"If you can’t give a good reason for carrying a machete down a public thoroughfare then you should be locked up."

Huh???

Tim
 
I am having a hard time believeing this is real. I may be forced to go into denial. Surely, no one would let this man do this.
 
Scotland, Wales, and England are a lost cause.
Eventually, rocks and walking sticks will fall
under "common sense" criteria for weapons. In
the not too distant future, rock hounds and
rock collectors will have to register their
geological finds. And, I might add, don't overlook
future registration of senior citizens' walking
sticks.
 
every police officer on the beat being issued with a hand-held metal detector to identify concealed weapons.

I predict a surge in plastic knives and other plastic weapons shortly.

Gonna be mighty tough to carve that Christmas turkey or that steak mighty soon.
 
Interesting. Where is Aggie when you need him? :rolleyes:

I predict a surge in plastic knives and other plastic weapons shortly.
Don't laugh too hard. I know of a Kung Fu master who can totally incapacitate a man by hitting him with a common plastic soda straw. He can also knock a person across a room using only a single finger. The way it was explained to me was he had the ability to focus his Chi energy.
 
My response in its entirety:

http://news.scotsman.com/glasgow.cfm?id=174882004

I must confess to being confused. Aren't knives readily available in every kitchen? Aren't bats and clubs common in most sports? Don't sticks and stones occur naturally?

First it was banning guns, to take us back to the glorious Middle Ages when there was no crime. Now it's banning knives, to take us to the much maligned Neolithic.

What next? Will we issue everyone visas and let them schedule their visits to the shop under police escort?

The more ridiculous the UK gets, the more I'm thankful to my parents for moving us to the US, where I can carry a pocketknife without being questioned, not worry about muggers and leave my house unlocked. Of course, that reality about America is lost amid the press' frothing and imbecilic ranting fantasies about how dangerous it is over here.

Scots are welcome in the US. Hopefully the bright ones will come join us. There seems to be little left of the proud race over there.

Michael Z. Williamson
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Scottish expatriate Michael Z. Williamson is a noted author, political activist, veteran, immigrant and custom bladesmith. His newest novel, _Freehold_ (Baen Books, political science fiction) sold out the entire first printing in three weeks. When not writing, he crafts accurate reproductions of swords and knives that Scots are no longer allowed to own without suspicion.
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HERO with John Ringo, June 2004 from Baen Books
THE SCOPE OF JUSTICE, July 2004 from Avon (HarperCollins)
TARGET: TERROR series, 2004 from Avon (HarperCollins)

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Ye all have yer kilts in a wad laddies, the true Scott is always well armed with his 3-wood or niblick! And the possession of gwalf clubs is a birthright from the times of Old Tom...We don't need no stinkin knives or guns or brains...
 
We don't need no stinkin knives or guns or brains...

I know its a little off topic, but your reply reminded me of The Simpsons the other night. Willy was ranting about natural enemies, "Like the English and the Scots...or the Irish and the Scots...or the Japanese and the Scots!!!"

For some reason I thought of that when I read your reply. And I laughed all over again.
 
I thought I'd add that despite the 'Scotland not been the same since Culloden' type comments this is the Scottish Parliament that wants to introduce these laws.

On I side note - I have yet to meet an American who proudly proclaims his English heritage, plenty of Irish and Scottish Americans, no English Americans.
 
Very proud of you for coming out there El Tejon, but now I have to hate you. My surname is Trethewey - Cornish through and through (except my mother is from Devon but we'll ignore that for the sake of the feud ok?)
 
On I side note - I have yet to meet an American who proudly proclaims his English heritage, plenty of Irish and Scottish Americans, no English Americans.
That's because it was the English-Americans who got so fed up with being English-<anything> that they started something of a tiff about it back in the 18th century. ;)

Sorta like you don't find a whole lot of women who hate their parents, but who get married and hyphenate their last names...

-BtouchnotthecatbotagloveP
 
Also, alot of American immigration was a function of the English making people in Ireland and (earlier on) Scotland miserable. :D

I think it's more a matter of sheer numbers than anglo-phobia at this point.
 
The point about kitchen knives always leaves me muttering, particularly after reading about crimes of passion committed with kitchen knives. The typical blissninny will go on about guns while their tot plays in the kitchen a few feet from a wooden block full of ultra sharp knives.
 
You're not playing the game right El Tejon - here I'll give you a freebie

El Tejon says - 'St Johns - you're from Cornwall, that's where three people and a sheep count as a gene pool.'
 
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