Secret Service at worship today

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This morning the head of state from a small, politically insignificant, but well-known county attended worship services at the church I attend. He had secret service protection and security was elevated, but not high.

I believe a fair number of people carry concealed at our church and the secret service did not seem the least bit concerned about the issue. They placed the group near an exit and directed foot traffic away from that exit. However, there is a lot of activity during our worship service. All the kids and many parents came to the front of the auditorium for mothers day flowers, roughly 60 people exited about 15 minutes into the service to do to a children's worship service, several folks went back and forth from their seats and the front as participants, and a few people got up and walked in and out, presumably for restroom breaks, etc.

Many times people casually walked within a few feet the visiting dignitary. The secret service, as far as I can tell, were never closer than about 12 feet from him. They posted one guy by the "secured" entrance, outside the auditorium but looking frequently into the auditorium through a little window in the door. The entrance was still used by a variety of people who were allowed to pass. A few others were posted in discreet locations. Unless they had additional officers outside the building (I have no idea) then the entrances were not all covered very well.

The primary focus of the security seemed to me to have local members, with radios posted in view of the entrances. I guessed that they were instructed to radio the security office if a stranger or suspicious person entered. We had a large number of visitors but it looked like most could easily be identified as friends or relatives of current members.

There were about 600 people in total. There is also a balcony which had no visible SS presence but which had a clear view the dignitary.

My thought is that it was viewed as a very low risk situation by the SS but it would have made me nervous to be in charge of this guy's security without locking things down a little better.

I watched the SS guys closely to see if they printed. I didn't see anything.
 
My thought is that it was viewed as a very low risk situation by the SS but it would have made me nervous to be in charge of this guy's security without locking things down a little better.

There is always a compromise. You can't lock down every public gathering any foreign dignitary attends or it will get to a point where no one will allow them access to the events.

Would you have been OK with being disarmed at the door of your own church because some visitor thought his safety was more important than yours?
 
Would you have been OK with being disarmed at the door of your own church because some visitor thought his safety was more important than yours?

No, I would have been complaining about it. I was just presenting the facts as I saw them and that was one that interested me. Why would any regular member represent a threat to this guy?

I just found it an interesting exercise of the brain, with all the trade-offs and considerations to make.
 
our secret service is good but an order of magnitde more relaxed than the isreali version. they covered the peace delegation at a hotel i orked at was real impressive
 
Many times people casually walked within a few feet the visiting dignitary. The secret service, as far as I can tell, were never closer than about 12 feet from him.

Just to clarify, I think the strength of our democracy is our politicians can be out in public with the people. If we ever have to revert to how Kim II or Stalin did it- constant body doubles, hiding away in fortess type mansions, never in a crowd, etc, its not a good sign.
 
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Were they really Secret Service? Sometimes they use the State Dept's protective details (the ones that they use for non-heads of state) for smaller country's head-of-state if the protective details are stretched thin in other places.
 
They may have thought it wasn't high risk because no one knew he/she was coming to your church until he walked in.
 
As rbernie hinted, it was likely the DSS - Diplomatic Security Service, a branch of the State Department. Beyond that, I'll just say that they're pretty dang good at what that do.
 
DSS is tough, tried to get in right after I graduated, didn't make the cut (apparently I'm too tall and can't go plainclothes as easily). Likely they probably had one or two UCs in the balcony just to keep an eye on everything from above. I'd say that if he's from a small country, the threats to his life probably aren't very high.
 
Threat analysis and assessment is always performed before taking on the protection of a specific principal; protection is deployed and countermeasures placed where best suited.

Although I'm handsome as hell and look absolutely fabulous in a suit ;) , I was often tasked with being UC because I'm not a bulging hulk. Security should be more than you can see - a good team will have multiple layers and they will be laid-out according to the perceived threat to the principal, if any.
 
Just to clarify, I think the strength of our democracy is our politicians can be out in public with the people.

Sometimes - Gerry Ford made it through luck.
 
AndyC said:
Although I'm handsome as hell and look absolutely fabulous in a suit , I was often tasked with being UC because I'm not a bulging hulk. Security should be more than you can see - a good team will have multiple layers and they will be laid-out according to the perceived threat to the principal, if any.

You really need to quit looking in the funhouse mirror....

:neener::D
 
I just had the perverse (but improbable ) thought that maybe they didn't know about how prevalent CCW was in Texas... being from back east, of course, then finding out later... "WHAT? You mean there were 15-20 people in there carrying GUNS?"

The thought just tickled me... but improbable, of course.
 
You know the Secret Service, a DHS entity, has offices throughout TX and these were local guys. USSS guards heads of state, DSS guards the rest.
 
My thought is that it was viewed as a very low risk situation by the SS but it would have made me nervous to be in charge of this guy's security without locking things down a little better.
Plainclothesfolk are to not be noticed, and some might've been there.
I noticed what I considered lax security at the Chelsea Clinton event I went to. You could get in with a gun under your jacket, no problem. Your bags, however, were checked by the uniformed guys at the door. A few SS men were standing around whilst she was talking, a handful of uniformed folks from the local town's PD/college PD were present. You could get in with a handgun under your coat and rub out Chelsea if you were so inclined - but you weren't likely to make it out. They like to make events as little of a nuisance as possible.
I guess it's all about threat analysis. Who wants to kill Chelsea? Nobody much. Those that do would want to do it and escape. Plenty of people would like to kill Bush and wouldn't mind dying in the process. So for Chelsea, make sure that escape's not an option. For Bush, make sure the means to kill him doesn't exist. No sense in deploying half the Dallas PD for Chelsea's sake. Greater precautions for greater persons.
 
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