security guards aren't always the brightest in the bunch

[wallysparx]

Oh boy, this thread got me remembering a stolen car incident when I was LEO.
It was really, really funny.

please do tell!

 

[Big Gay Al]

EVERYONE should remember, when offering your version of what a security guard can or can't do, it all, ALL of it, varies from one state to another. Hardly any two states have the same laws with regards to security guards.

Some require training, some do not. Some require training to work armed, some require training just to work as an unarmed guard. Some, don't require any training at all, but do require guards to have a CCW.

Like I said, it varies a lot. And since security companies hire from the human race, yeah, some of us are morons. The rest of us are just better at hiding that fact better than the unlucky ones.

 

[cubanpimp]

I am now at work... I am a dispatcher for a large security company in Miami, FL.... 70% of security guards are below average when it comes to intelligence! I get the most stupid calls ever from guards! I am also a licensed armed security officer for the county of Dade + army veteran. So I would say most security guards lack a great ammount of common sence.
There are good guards but it is a very easy job to do if you can just stay awake most of the time. .

P.S. florida does require training for the sec license and even more training for the g (gun license) + you are required by law in florida to qualify every year by going to the range with an instructor and shoot 40 rounds.

 

[c_yeager]

You do if you employ deadly force in the process.

As the ostensible "defender" was NOT in it at the time, nor were any members of his family, it is not a carjacking. Therefore, the car is just property. Offhand, the only state I can think of that lets a citizen employ deadly force to protect mere property is Texas (there may be a couple of others.

In short, the glib assertion above is an invitation to disaster.

Right, except for the part where the person in question didnt actually use deadly force at any time. FYI pointing a gun at someone is pretty damn low on the force spectrum shooting on the other hand, is at the top. Cops point guns at people on a pretty routine basis, this is *not* deadly force, it is the threat of deadly force, which is not the same thing.

 

[tanksoldier]

So you don't have the right of citizen's arrest in Oklahoma? Or do security guards not have that right while on duty?

<<Not to hold somebody for the cops or anything like that>>

 

[TexasRifleman]

Right, except for the part where the person in question didnt actually use deadly force at any time. FYI pointing a gun at someone is pretty damn low on the force spectrum shooting on the other hand, is at the top.

Don't know about all states but Texas clearly defines pointing a gun as NOT being deadly force as pointed out.

The statutes allow pointing a gun as "threat of deadly force" .

§ 9.04. Threats as Justifiable Force

The threat of force is justified when the use of force is justified by this Chapter. For purposes of this section, a threat to cause death or serious bodily injury by the production of a weapon or otherwise, as long as the actor’s purpose is limited to creating an apprehension that he will use deadly force if necessary, does not constitute the use of deadly force.

That said, the guy is still an idiot for not remembering where he parked his own car......

 

[Devonai]

I just spent thirty minutes composing a long response, but vB apparently disagreed with my definition of "logged in."

 

[Big Gay Al]

I hate when that happens.

Almost as bad as composing a long reply, just about to hit the reply button, and the power goes out.

 

[c_yeager]

I just spent thirty minutes composing a long response, but vB apparently disagreed with my definition of "logged in."

Always highlight your post and right click and hit "copy" before hitting the submit button. That way, if it gets sent to the ether you can just paste it back into the field.

 

[Devonai]

Yeah, I do that on LiveJournal, but THR has never dumped out on me before.

I was just going to relate a story of some guys who I encountered at work last night. They didn't believe me when I told them they were on private property, but they believed the cops when they were pulled over a few minutes later.

Hmm, I guess the story had a three minute version, too.