Security of a free state

[Vodka7]

I thought the answer to that question was always, "the one you have on you." Doubt Exhibit A has that thing in the umbrella stand at his office, unless he works from home. (And most people I know who work from home don't even bother putting on pants unless they're expecting a delivery or the wife.)

Now, if Exhibit B were holding a placard instead of a rifle, I'd agree with you.

 

[c_yeager]

I see an oppresive agent of the state with a nicely effective rifle on one side. On the other I see an average Joe who just got home from vacation to find things have gone to hell in a handbasket and decides to haul out his hunting rifle to make them right.

Yeah, I do understand what your trying to say, but I think it has to cut through a lot of static. Besides it sends the message that the nature of the equipment is more importent than the intent of the person behind it, which is exactly what the antis think too.

The actuall answer to the question posed on the poster is "It depends on what they are shooting at", and it remains unanswered by the picture.

 

[History Prof]

1- Who goes into a combat situation in a suit and tie?
2- Who goes hunting in a flowerdy shirt?

Answer to question one: Anyone who was dressed in a suit and tie when the combat situation came to them instead of them going to the combat situation.

Watch a few history documentaries. During the Hungarian Revolution against the Soviet Union in 1956, dozens of men in business suits were filmed shooting at Soviet soldiers. I've also seen video of at least one man in a business suit shooting an AK-47 during some of the fighting in Somolia in the last decade. Frankly, I thought the Hungarian Revolution thing might have been what Oleg was going for with the guy on the left. Am I right?

I also like the ideas about adding more people/professionals/evil guns on the left and more *obvious* hunters with "hunting arms" on the right side. Put somebody in academic regalia in there on the left!

 

[Henry Bowman]

Well, Oleg, I think we're getting mixed reviews on this one. I blame the model. As you said, we have the business suit + suppressed SLR15. But the concept may be too complex for mainstream.

 

[azredhawk44]

...it sends the message that the nature of the equipment is more importent than the intent of the person behind it, which is exactly what the antis think too.

The actuall answer to the question posed on the poster is "It depends on what they are shooting at", and it remains unanswered by the picture.

That's exactly what I thought upon seeing this particular poster.

That heavy hunting rifle would probably make a mess of a SWAT-ninja's body armor.

And I hunt with my M1A scout. But I do leave the bayonet at home.

I like your work, Oleg... but this one is pretty vague. I think you are trying to say that the true tools of liberty and individual freedom are the weapons the antis fear most. But, I contend that a red-blooded american with a bolt action .30-06 is just as worthy of respect from the government as a red-blooded american with a class 3 permit and an M60.

 

[kludge]

Or this...

If the US was invaded today by 1,000 Al Qaida sleeper cells, each having 100 members, and all the National Guard units were deployed in the Middle East, which gun would you want to have? Which one would you want your neigbors to have a few of?

 

[mustanger98]

Reading kludge's post, my memory was jarred back to a scene from "The Longest Day". It was Robert Mitchum on Omaha Beach... he was, in his command voice, saying "there's only two kinds of people on this beach; them that are dead and them that are gonna die; pick up anything that shoots and get moving".

 

[Oleg Volk]

Thanks for the input, I will re-edit.

 

[Prince Yamato]

The one on the right is probably the fuddite that brings his " huntin' " rifle with him to the indoor range and deafens me while I practice with my 9mm. BTW, there's nothing wrong with shooting in formal attire. My girlfriends and I were often dressed up while shooting. We'd go shooting and then go to a formal occassion afterwords.

"ooh, is that Drakkar you're wearing?"

"Uh... no, it's a new scent... umm... Cosmoline and Beradin"

"is it French?"

 

[mustanger98]

My girlfriends and I were often dressed up while shooting. We'd go shooting and then go to a formal occassion afterwords.

"ooh, is that Drakkar you're wearing?"

"Uh... no, it's a new scent... umm... Cosmoline and Beradin"

"is it French?"

Reminds me of the times I went to the gun shop wearing khakis and a dress shirt and looking at old Mausers... wind up with a cosmoline stain where the gun mounts to my shoulder because I didn't think about it needing de-greasing. Thankfully, it washed out.

 

[Srigs]

Blaze orange hunting outfit would be good with the hunting rifle. The M1A would work with jeans and a polo shirt or Carhart shirt. I like the concept.

 

[NineseveN]

Oleg, I get what you're trying to say here, but I think the point is lost a little based on what others have been saying so far. I don't think it will reach the fence-sitters because it's just not as quick to the cerebral cortex as most of your other work. Anti's will simply shrug it off, and gunnies will say, "both".

 

[Oleg Volk]

As I mentioned earlier, this image is getting a full re-work. In fact, the concept is getting new images.

 

[the naked prophet]

I'm glad it's getting re-worked. I somehow missed this thread the first time, and when I looked at it, my first thought was that if I didn't know Oleg's work, I would assume that he's saying that government agents should be armed but rifles in the hands of civilians (hunting rifles, etc.) do nothing for ensuring security of a free state.

 

[SwampFox]

Bring what you got.
Dance with what you brung.

The war for independence was fought with squirrel rifles.

As for the poster, the choir will get it, the congregation won't.

Pith hat was a nice touch.

 

[roscoe]

I must say, Oleg has guts for putting stuff out there and asking for critiques. Since he does it so often, every once in a while even he gets a miss. He just takes it in stride . . .

 

[kludge]

+1

 

[thorn726]

Doctor Livingston,

i presume?

really, great concept but that guy doesnt say civilian weith that hat and shirt. he says tourist at best.
glad to see this

As I mentioned earlier, this image is getting a full re-work. In fact, the concept is getting new images.

the suit makes perfect sense to me , looks like a senator or at least a government agent

wish i could suggest a more suitable civilian outfit.

i guess taxi driver isnt such a good idea (chuckle)

 

[the naked prophet]

I would think the guy on the left needs an outfit that says "responsible" and yet eliminates the possibility that he's government. Maybe a polo shirt with slacks? I think someone elses suggestion of a group would also help - one guy with a fast-food uniform, a mechanic in greasy overalls, a school-teacher type lady. Not too many because then it would be cluttered, 3-4 people ideally, with an array of weapons including the M1A, AR-15 and AK-47. On the right, I like the flannel idea. A couple guys with flannels, one with a broke-open duck shotgun, one with a deer rifle - hunters orange would help, or a hat with a duck on it or something.

Just some ideas, maybe they'll be helpful.

 

[gak]

Really enjoy your work sir.

My favourites are always the ones that throw the government words back at them. "They say the police are not responsible for our safety, so why do they want us to give up our only means of protection ?"

My wife likes ones that emphasize ladies who call 911, then pray that the intruder doesn't hurt them too badly during the 20 minutes until the cops come; compared to the ladies that can make tea and watch tv until the cops come cause they blew the badguy away.

Still hoping for some terrorist ones, since the government says we have to get with the times, give up all our rights, and realize there's terrorists behind every bush that only the government can deal with. Something like a terrorist coming into a cramped subway car/store with a bomb, grenade, or rifle. Everyone is just staring as he threatens their kids. "Aren't you glad YOU gave up YOUR right to carry ?":banghead: