Seeking info/input on Lyman BP rifles

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I was flipping through my MidOhio Shooters catalog the other day and was looking at the Hawkins type BP rifles they had there. I can't recall exactly which ones were which but I do remember the Lyman Hawkins rifles and some others that were fairly inexpensive. They were .50 and .54 caliber. I was thinking about getting one to take out every once in awhile just to get started with and maybe even take hunting one season. I don't have the money or the desire to spend alot on something like I'd find in the Dixie Gun Works catalog or other higher end reproductions. They almost looked like those kits I used to see as a boy at the local K-Mart or TG&Y where you could fit and finish you're own for nearly nothing. By the time I got old enough to get one, they were a thing of the past.

What's your opinions and info on these lower cost BP traditional type rifles?

Much appreciated.

P.S. I do have limited experience with BP firearms. My Uncle has a few and I have been to the range and even 1 hunting trip with one, but it was years ago.

Thanks
 
The lyman Plains and Great Plains rifles are made by Investarms in Italy. They are very fine shooters. They have coil springs in the lock works and are not prone to trouble.
Here's an article I put in GUNs Magazine a couple of years ago"
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BQY/is_11_53/ai_n20512668/

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Building it from a kit let me drawfile the literature off the barrel making it look more original. Since I built my early one, Lyman/Investarms has added flintlocks and the option of a faster twist for conical bullets.

They also have a companion pistol in 50 or 54. It is very accurate as well.
 
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I've had a Lyman GPR .50 cal. flinter for 15 years. I've hunted deer with it and shot competition at Rendezvous with it. I really like the rifle. I recommend the kit so you can add your own personal touches to it. I built one and if I can do it anyone can. Good luck
 
I own two Lyman GPR rifles, both .54 caliber. One is a factory built percussion, the other a kit flintlock I built myself. I also own three T/C percussion Hawkens, two .50's and one .54. All five rifles are very good shooters. I'm very satisfied with the Lyman guns. There are some tricks to the kits that take a bit of ingenuity but for the most part they are easy to build with minimal tool investment and basic skills. If you want a plains style rifle the Lyman Great Plains Rifle (1:60 twist rate), or the Lyman Great Plains Hunter (1:48 twist rate) are excellent choices that will serve you well for many years.

The flintlock from a kit:
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The factory percussion gun:
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Great. Thanks alot for the posts and especially the pictures. I made a mistake in my first post and it was the MidSouth Shooters 2009 catalog I was looking through. I don't know what made me say Mid Ohio.

OK, My next question. .50 or .54? Which one's the best all around caliber? I live in Florida so anything I'd be hunting I know would go down pretty easily with .50 but is there something I should consider about the .54? Also the same goes for the Pistol kit. I would get one of each in the same caliber.

Also, the twist rate? Which one would be the best all around rate for all the different types of shot, conical, ball, etc.

Thanks again.
 
.50 is probably more versatile and it's less expensive to shoot, although the differences are small.

The 1:48 twist is generally considered to be a compromise twist for both conicals and roundballs.
 
OK, thanks. I was leaning more toward the .50 but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. I've always been a fan of .50 caliber rounds.(Nothing says LOVE like a 1/2 slug)

My next questions might sound a little stupid but do I need an FFL holder to order these particular types of BP rifles? I live in Florida so shipping into the state isn't an issue. I even have a friend who has an FFL I was just wondering since these are more of the Curio and Relic type firearms if they were somehow exempt from having to be processed through an FFL and I could just order them direct. I'm really starting to like the Hawkens and the pistol combination.
 
Black powder firearms (rifles, shotguns, fowlers, pistols, revolvers, etc) are specifically defined as not being firearms under the provisions of the GCA 68. You do not need an FFL to transfer ownership under federal law. State or local laws may vary, however.
 
OK, thanks. I was leaning more toward the .50 but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. I've always been a fan of .50 caliber rounds.(Nothing says LOVE like a 1/2 slug)

My next questions might sound a little stupid but do I need an FFL holder to order these particular types of BP rifles? I live in Florida so shipping into the state isn't an issue. I even have a friend who has an FFL I was just wondering since these are more of the Curio and Relic type firearms if they were somehow exempt from having to be processed through an FFL and I could just order them direct. I'm really starting to like the Hawkens and the pistol combination.
The laws seem to be morphing more and more these days. For example... because Cabela's has a brick/mortar store in MY state (WA)... they require involvement of an FFL to ship ANY BP guns to a customer. That's in compliance with a new WA State law. However... a vendor who does NOT have a brick/mortar store in my state is not bound to use an FFL to ship. These kinds of ignorant new laws appear to be on the upswing and appear to vary, depending on the locale of the customer.
 
I have one of the little sisters of the Lyman GPR, the Lyman Trade Rifle in .50.

It shoots wonderfully with just 70gr. FFFG & a PRB ".015 patch & .495 ball" out to 100 yards & I wouldn't have a problem using her for hunting out to 75 yards +/- a few.
 
Lyman makes good guns. I have never built a Lyman kit but I'd expect them to present no significant problems. Most of the work involves sanding and finishing the stock. The barrels used to come in "the white" and you could brown or blue them as you pleased. Some of the manufacturers of kits have gone to providing a blued barrel with their kits and all you have left to do is sand and finish the stock. I don't know if Lyman has done this yet or not. If you get the barrel in the white, all that is required is to polish it to about a 220 grit emery cloth and then brown it. I personally like Laurel Mountain Forge cold browning solution. It takes time and you have to follow the directions carefully but if you can do that you can end up with a beautifully browned barrel. The brown that you get with Laurel Mountain Forge solution is a traditional soft flat brown. Birchwood Casey's Plum Brown requires that you heat the barrel with something like a propane torch to get the solution to work. I find that to be too much trouble but will provide a shiney brown finish if that is what you prefer. Either is easy but requires that you follow the directions and have faith. Neither will be an instant brown and both require several coats to get the nice even brown that you want. Either will get you there if you follow the directions carefully. Even if the barrel is in the white, all of the other parts will be finished and require no work on your part.

I'd have absolutely no reservations about building a Lyman rifle kit. You will end up with a mighty fine shooting rifle and if you do your part in the construction process, you will have a nice looking rifle as well. I bought a finished Lyman Great Plains Rifle and it is one of my favorites. The barrel has a 1:66 twist rate and is best suited for patched round balls. That's all I shoot. If you want to shoot conical bullets instead of round balls, you will want to consider the Thompson Center kit. It has a 1:48 twist rate and will shoot conicals okay. Since my personal preference is for the traditional patched round balls, I find the Lyman Great Plains Rifle more suited to my taste. If you are interested in shooting modern jacketed pistol bullets in sabots (yuck!), you will be more satisfied with one of the in-line rifles. They have the fast twist rates that will better stabilize the modern bullets. The problem is, I have never seen an in-line kit.

One caution, if this is your first black powder rifle to own, do not get a flintlock. Flintlocks require some experience as a black powder shooter. They have a lot of things that require knowlege about flintlocks that you do not have to worry about with a caplock. In addition, they will not shoot any of the black powder substitutes. You must shoot black powder in them. Trust me on this.....been there, tried that. It doesn't work!! After you master the loading, shooting and care of a caplock, you will be ready to move on to a flintlock. Flintlocks are just better suited to the more experienced black powder shooter.

This is just my humble opinion based upon almost 40 years of building and shooting black powder rifles.
 
The Lyman Great Plains Hunter has a 1:32 twist, not a 1:48 twist. The GPH is designed for shooting conicals only. If you want to shoot roundballs get a Great Plains Rifle with the 1:60 twist.

A .50 will handle anything in Florida. Unless you're planning to travel out of state and hunt large game you don't need the .54. The .50 will be a bit cheaper to shoot with a bit less recoil.
 
Lyman still provides the kit barrel in the white.

One can purchase a Lyman Great Plains Hunter barrel which will drop into the Great Plains Rifle stock; it has the 1:32 twist and would provide you with a very versatile set.
 
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