Seems that a good portion of Eastern Colorado Forests are now closed to shooting

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Just got back from a week in southern Colorado and good Lord is it ever dry there. Drove through a fire down around Mancos. Not big compared to the Ft. Collins or Colorado Springs fires, but saw a plane and whirlybird fighting it from the air.

Maybe we should simply outlaw stupid people since they seem to to cause most of the problems in society. That would take care of soooo many more problems than just the idiots starting fires.

BTW, our city banned outdoor cooking on the 4th. Don't tell anyone but we grilled anyway. On our concrete driveway. Told the wife if our little grill starts the concrete on fire we got bigger problems than the drought.
 
As much as I hate to admit it, I can understand and even support the fireban, and yes, I can think of at least one situation where shooting normal ammo could start a blaze, particularly on the tinderbox that is the Pawnee right now.

Pretty simple, really. Imagine you are shooting prone. Pulling the trigger shoots out a blast of hot gas and flame. Fire starts.

Is it likely? No, probably not. I mean, you could start a fire that way, but chances are you would get it stomped out before thousands of acres eat it. But in a season where our state is burning aggressively, I can understand that they have to take every precaution necessary. And, you know, unfortunately we have to pay for the yahoos that are shooting propane tanks.

Lightning strikes have been the cause of the big ones right now, but Coloradoans might remember that the Hayman fire was started by a forest ranger burning an old love letter (notice the singular "letter") in a fit of rage. I am sure she thought she could stomp that out in time, but 138,000 acres of burned Colorado say otherwise.
 
Not to get too far off-topic, I just want to speak on the matter of "probability of ignition" in regards to things like smoking and shooting, since many people argue that something creating such a small and seemingly insignificant spark is highly unlikely to start a fire.

I recently returned from an assignment fighting fires here out west. I can speak from experience that the conditions this year are incredibly extreme throughout the Rockies and Northern Rockies regions, and have my own proof.

In one instance, my crew was faced with a small group of trees, perhaps five pines, that torched out along a bulldozer line. Myself and two other members of the crew were standing withing twenty yards of the torching, just on the other side of the line, watching for embers carried by the wind. Honestly, it didn't look like there was much getting carried over, to me. Within approximately five to ten minutes we were dealing with between six and ten spot fires sparked by embers we couldn't even see cross the line, driven by wind. The spot fires moved so quickly that we were barely able to scratch line around some of them in time, didn't in a couple cases, and resorted to calling in aerial resources to cool things off for us before they really got us cornered.

If you haven't dealt with fire in these conditions before it could be easy to presume that it would be a simple task to "stomp it out" if something was sparked. I'm here to tell you that even with ten firefighters immediately on-site, and heavy tankers overhead, the pucker-factor can spike pretty quick, it's not as easy as it seems when the winds are cranking at 20-40 mph and the relative humidity is in the single digits.

As someone "in the industry" I would ask everyone to be understanding and supportive of temporary restrictions. I also have noted that in many cases the use of firearms while engaged in lawful hunting has not been restricted. I believe this could very well by a result of the few idiots ruining things for the majority, however do not underestimate the potential for even innocent target practice to spark something.

Another way to look at it is this; you're paying for fighting and cleaning up these fires, through your tax dollars (heavy air-tankers start at something like $2K/hour, 20-person handcrews are about $7,000 per day). It's much cheaper to forego shooting for a month or so than to deal with record-setting wildfires for weeks at a time.
 
Seems like many parts of the west are now closed to....habitation!

I think next to the fact that a lotta folks are losing their homes, some restrictions to shooting are pretty darned small!

No?!? :confused:
 
I have seen news articles regarding "shooters start wildfire" and while certain activities are alleged to have been the culprit the media focuses little on that and more on the shooting in general.
Please show me an article that explains the difference and how to discern between bullets that can create spark/fire and those that won't, show me a writer that will castigate those who are shooting up propane tanks and other flammable materials without throwing us all under the bus, show me a writer that will go to an educated source on small arms and have them explain the hazards of shooting in this dry environment.
The thing that worries me most is when this is all over and the rains come again the bans on smoking, grilling, burning, campfires will all go away but due to the "extreme" hazard that shooters comprise that ban on public land will stay.
 
The thing that worries me most is when this is all over and the rains come again the bans on smoking, grilling, burning, campfires will all go away but due to the "extreme" hazard that shooters comprise that ban on public land will stay.
A very very real possibility. I look with disdain at all the shot up crap left over by slob shooters out on BLM land, and I can certainly understand that mindset by those charged wth maintaining said public lands. And, as usual, the law abiding will be mindful and adjust/suffer, while the slobs will continue to act irresponsibly.

Small(ish) fire outside of Cedar City UT this weekend (The Shingles area) caused, they think, by an ATV w/ spark arrestor removed from a quadrunner. Idiots abound. :banghead:
 
Baba Louie, I hear ya on the messes people leave; when I was in a flying gig out in Portland, I'd go up to Mt. Hood to shoot...people left EVERYTHING out there, full of bullet holes.

REALLY???

I suspect, though, that those same people have front yards that look about the same...
 
Tuesday 7/3/2012 or so Park County closed itself off from target shooting.

In Crested Butte this weekend it was illegal to SMOKE in town due to the fire dangers. Smoking in public was a $500 fine. Unkless you were IN you car, IN your home or IN a driving rainstorm you were warned once, ticketed on repeat.

It was also illegal to smoke in the National Forest. In your car was ok.

Sometimes the laws and rules don't make sense.. aka you could have your windows down but your doors couldn't be open.

As for shooting there was a an imprmptu skeet/trap challenge at the local shooting area near the top of Kebler pass. The forest service was queried and the shooters were given the go ahead.

Take a drive through Colorado Springs Between Academy and Garden of the Gods and take a look towards the mountains. These restrictions are an attempt to get a handle on THAT kind of damage. Colorado relies too much on tourist $$ from visiting sportsmen and locals enjoying the great outdoors (WHO by the way are exempted if lawfully hunting). This restrictions WILL be lifted.

But this is the not the hottest part of summer yet.

There are plenty of public ranges open at present. Use common sense and read up on the specific restrictions in a given area.
 
Dr. Rob,

I was actually in Colorado Springs during the Waldo Canyon Fire, and did some aerial surveillance of the burn area for work. Fires can be devastating to a community, to be sure, but I'm confident that these fires aren't being caused (and won't be caused) by shooters who are using conventional ammo on conventional targets.

The fire fear has been huge this year (for good reason), and we've been quite fortunate to get some rain in the past week or so. But, shooting didn't cause these fires. In fact, nature itself caused most of the big fires this season!
 
Many of the restrictions don't apply to conventional targets or ammo, but it varies county to county.

I certainly wouldn't think shooting black powder in the grasslands was a good idea, for instance.
 
My post was in reference to the Park County restrictions. It is my understanding that their ban outlaws shooting of ANY type of firearm, using ANY type of ammo, ANYWHERE in the county. That's pretty darn restrictive.
 
Up here in Montana we're locally under a stage 2 fire warning so shooting is banned in most areas in the local counties. We also had to cancel a pig roast because any fire that can throw a spark is also banned. I can still shoot at the range I belong to but the range closes at noon because it is so dry. Some guy even started a fire last week using a grinder outside his workshop. I can't complain since these are all predetermined Stage 1 means X restrictions, Stage 2 mans X+Y restrictions. I guess there is stage 3. I hope we don't go there.
 
Talked to a ranger with Roosevelt and Arapahoe National Forests today... both forests are apparently entirely closed to shooting right now, allegedly due to fire danger (this is in addition to the Park County shooting ban).

There's really no need for this ban, whatsoever, regardless of fire conditions. Moreover, while the fire danger is still elevated at the moment, it is probably now about where it is in the heat of the summer most years. We've had some rain since the big fires started, and the conditions are substantially better than they were a couple of weeks ago. It's not great, but it isn't as bad as it was.

Camp stoves are again allowed on these two forests, but shooting is still banned. The ranger said that the ban is in place because: "three fires have been started this season from people shooting steel core ammo". That's the same story the news told.
 
Shooting generates alot of complaints for them (and lets face it, piles of trash from *censored* not cleaning up after themselves).

If someone handed me a convenient excuse to make my job easier I'd run as far as I could with it too.
 
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