Select-fire switch installed on Glock 17?

[FSCJedi]

Ok, I understand that this basically makes the gun a Glock 18, but is it possible (and legal) to pay the $200 tax stamp and have a gunsmith install a full-auto (or heck, a 3-round burst would be even better) select switch on a Glock slide? If so, anyone know of someone I can get in contact with to have this done?

From what I understand (even being a Glock ), the G17/18 platform is pretty stable and when compensated (suffix "C") it's a bad-a** little autopistol. I'm dying to make my first Class III purchase and I would like it to be something that I can have a lot of fun with (and 9mm ammo is pretty cheap!).

Comments from my other forumites? Got a better autopistol suggestion?

 

[Trebor]

It is illegal to convert a Glock 17 to full-auto fire for civilian use. Ever since 1986 no new machine guns can be manufactured for civilian ownership.

The only new machine guns being made now are for the military and law enforcement. Licensed FFL machine gun manufacturers can manufacture new machine guns for "dealer samples" to demonstrate the guns to law enforcement or military customers. Only FFL machine gun manufacturers or dealers can posses these guns though. And, to answer your next question, it is not easy to become a machine gun dealer or manufacturer. This is a special type of FFL with requirements and fees over and above the requirements for a normal dealer FFL.

So, no, you can't convert your Glock 17 to Glock 18 configuration.

 

[RyanM]

No. Don't even think about it. BATFE agents have already infiltrated your house and are hypnotizing your children, pets, and/or houseplants (as applicable) to spy on you.

You'd be better off trying to buy one of the few legal Glock 18s out there.

 

[FSCJedi]

*sigh* I was sure hoping it would be legal if the tax and crap was all paid. Does it matter that I am in the military? *glimmer of hope*

 

[10-Ring]

Ahhhh - I hate it when hopes & dreams are dashed on the internet!

 

[Kenneth Lew]

*sigh* I was sure hoping it would be legal if the tax and crap was all paid. Does it matter that I am in the military? *glimmer of hope*

Nope.

If you try to purchase a NFA firearm via the individual route, it may take longer than usual for your background check.

 

[JohnKSa]

Corporations can own newly manufactured machine guns under certain circumstances...

 

[FSCJedi]

So basically you all are saying if I want a full-auto Glock, I need to find one like the one on this page (which actually already has the hard-chromed slide I want, though I'd like it to be brushed instead of gloss) and then pay my tax stamp and get a background check done and stuff, right?

Would anyone like to offer a better suggestion for a machine pistol?

 

[ZeroCool]

So basically you all are saying if I want a full-auto Glock, I need to find one like the one on this page (which actually already has the hard-chromed slide I want, though I'd like it to be brushed instead of gloss) and then pay my tax stamp and get a background check done and stuff, right?

Would anyone like to offer a better suggestion for a machine pistol?

**Grins happily as he is about to crush yet another dream**

That glock 18 is non-transferrable because it was made after 1986. A lowly peasant such as you or I could not purchase that pistol.

I believe that there are no "real" glock 18's that are transferrable in the United States. I think that there were very few conversions done to glock 17's, but to even find one is rare.

I would imagine, based on prices of 93r conversions, that you would be spending $30,000 plus on a "legal" glock 18. Keep in mind that this is even if you were able to find one.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. Unless of course you are rich, then I am happy to help and expect a 10% commission.

 

[iiibdsiil]

What's this thing with corporations being able to own newly manufactured machine guns?

Sounds like it's time to start a business

 

[Trebor]

So basically you all are saying if I want a full-auto Glock, I need to find one like the one on this page

Nope, that one is out as well. It was made after 1986 as a "dealer sample." That's why it's called a "Post May" gun in the ad and not listed as a "Transferable" gun.

You are only able to buy "transferable" guns. They will be advertisted as "Transferable" or "Curio and Relic" (if appropriate). Anylisted as "Dealer sample" or "Pre-May '86" or "Post-May '86" are restricted to dealers for demo purposes or can be sold to law enforcement only. Because the "dealer samples" can still be made, but can only be sold to machine gun dealers, they are much less expensive then "transferable" guns.

Btw, the fact that you are in the military is irrelevant. If the army wants you to shoot a machine gun, they'll issue you one for the performance of your duties. If you want to own a MG, you have to follow the appropriate laws like any other citizen.

 

[Trebor]

What's this thing with corporations being able to own newly manufactured machine guns?

Sounds like it's time to start a business

The only corporations that can own machine guns made after 1986 are those corporations that are licensed as FFL machine gun dealers or FFL machine gun manufacturers. You can't just form a different type of corporation and buy a machine gun manufactured after 1986. If it was that easy, everyone would do it.

Now, a corporation CAN own a machine gun manufactured before 1986. Those are the same guns you can own as a private citizen though. The only difference is that if you buy the gun as a private citizen you have to get your local "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" to sign a ATF form stating that it is legal for you to own this machine gun and there is no reason you should be denied the purchase. Not all local police chiefs will sign this form, so getting the form signed can be a roadblock to buying a machine gun in your own name. If the corporation buys the gun instead, you don't have to get approval from your local "Chief Law Enforcement Officer" to buy the gun. The disadvantage is the gun is corporate property, not personal property, and could be seized as a corporate asset in bankruptcy proceedings or if a judgement is won against the corporation. The corporation also has to remain in existence the whole time you posses the gun.