Self-Defense for a Woman in a No-CCW State?

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We live in a great neighborhood in Chicago's western 'burbs. I'm a retired LEO, and I carry almost all the time. On the other hand, my wife often ventures out on her own, sometimes walking our dog, other times jogging.

We do have a big brute of a dog, who, while pretty much a big wimp, weighs in at 110 lbs. and would at least cause a BG to question whether it's worth the risk. I always encourage my wife to take him on her strolls.

A gun isn't an option. Apart from self-defense training, what steps would you suggest? I'm about to buy her a Kimber Pepper Blaster, but I'd be interested in your thoughts on this and other tactics she might employ.
 
Taser makes a civilian model, peperspray, hand 2 hand, awareness training, running so you are fit and can get away if need be. You will get alot of comments on awareness because if you know to avoid the situation then you won't need the above.
 
Kimber Pepper Blaster
Those look interesting, but is there a practice version that is affordable to train with? I think they're one of the best OC devices on the market, but I only see the real thing, no training canisters like the spray-cans have.

I don't know the legality of a collapsible baton in that area (but I'm interested, because I travel to Chicago fairly frequently) but if legal, they can be quite effective, so long as you don't end up bringing a bonkin' stick to a gunfight. A large maglight can be a good thing to have while dog-walking at night, but not so much for jogging. There are small hand weights used to enhance the workout while running, they would probably at least provide a good fist load (once again, unless you brought an enhanced punch to a gunfight)
 
I wrote about some of the other stuff that I carry on my person in the below post and again in the post below that. There are some excellent products out their for the creative person.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=390642

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=336912 post #33

What kind of combative training did you receive as an LEO? You do not need a black belt to successfully fend off an attack. There is a different paradigm to the Self Defense fight and the Drunken Bar Brawl or illegal street fights to the death or what have you.

A black belt helps when a determined opponent has the time, motivation and will to continue fighting until either you or he is down, like a boxing match. A criminal predator has neither time nor the will power to engage in that kind of match, so teaching her several strikes and how to break holds to get those strikes on target, accompanied by shouts and possible the employment of the above would make her a terror in a scrap.

Most important thing, get in shape, practice punch out drills and arms strength and then the strikes. Teach anatomy as well, so that a solid strike to a vulnerable place gets the most bang for the buck.

Also, teach her to resist violently and quickly. I do not know why, but people tend to want to "wait for the right moment". Criminals always try to move things from a situation of less control to a situation of more control. So, the second the event happens, if she resists violently and aggressively then she can cause the perp to panic and bolt.
 
mbt2001 +1.

Teach her to react in a manner to create as much damage as possible in the least amount of time. A great majority of attackers already enter the confrontation assuming they have the upper hand. They, in general, are not prepared to deal with a victim who is going ape nuts crazy on them. A slap won't be nearly as effective as throwing her self clawing and biting at an attackers face. Matter of fact, a slap may get her beat. She needs to keep up the attack until the threat is over. In the ring, there are rules one must obey or the get disqualified... on the street, the only time you are not qualified to defend your self is when you are unconscious or dead. There are no rules, so use everything in your power such as teeth, knees, elbows, pipes, bricks, cellphone (make em duck when you throw it), keys (will tear someone up pretty fast when slapped across the face), feet, etc. I have taught SD in Peoria, IL for women, as well as my father. If you want him to start teaching her, I will gladly pass your information to him. I won't give out his info to someone I don't know, but he can evaluate whether he wants to meet and teach her himself when he contact you.

There are other options as well when it comes to weaponed defense. I think asps are considered bludgeons there in IL, so they are out of the question. A knife under 4 inches is still legal as well as the oc spray you mentioned. The problem with the knife is that if your wife isn't committed, it may end up getting used against her.
 
(1) Get her (and you) a copy of Mark MacYoung's "Safe in the Street" DVD. This will teacher what to look out for on the streets, how to recognize and avoid dangerous interactions.

(2) Find a way for her to develop an "unassailable presence". Attackers are looking for victims, not empowered, aware, self-confident people -- so going about your life with this affect can forestall trouble. Sometimes you can get this from a women's empowerment or women warriors workshop of some kind (these are generic terms, not names of specific programs). Pretty much anyone with a blackbelt in any martial art has developed this affect, but it takes a few years to develop so I'm not suggesting this approach - just pointing it out for reference. In any case, it has to be practiced and developed over time.

(3) It's really hard for most women to become "fighters" -- even if it's fighting for her own life and with her built-in tools (like fingernails). Having pepper sprays, knives, kabutons, etc. isn't going to help unless she's morally/mentally/emotionallly able to flip the switch from mild-mannered citizen to righteous defender of justice (or woman warrior, or she-wolf defending her cubs, or whatever other metaphor best fits her style). Probably the best chance she has for developing this is to take a women's self defense course along the lines of "Model Mugging" (which is a formal program's name) where in addition to the background talk, she'd get actual physical practice warding off a mugger (dressed in a heavily padded outfit so he can survive kicks, etc.) -- which gives kinesthetic experience for which there's no substitute.

good luck. hope this helps.
 
Pepper spray, a double-edged knife concealed in a pocket, and knowledge of pressure points. Maybe a loud whistle or whatnot to call attention to herself.
 
"Self-Defense for a Woman in a No-CCW State? "

That's what we've been dealing with in Maryland for most of our lives.

How your wife will deal with it is going to all depend 100% on her attitude. How far is she willing to go?

My wife is a compact little lady, and she has carried an array of common everyday objects in her purse and/or on her person for our almost 40 years of marrage. A very long time ago, before our children came into this world, but we knew we were going to be raising a family, we worked out some things. We both were very serious about defending ourselves and our kids. We took some MA courses, and studied some unconventional tactics. Made it a unconcious habit of scaning our suroundings, and muttering quietly to each other if we saw something bogus by the clock. "Two guys at 9 o'clock checking us out" and the like. It's become so second nature to us, we don't even think of doing or not doing it, we just do in a quiet mannor. We make it a long ingrained habit to keep an eye on who's around us at any time. K. carries a medium screw driver in her purse, sometimes if out at night, a Stanley sliding blade utility knife. Later when pepper spray was out, we carried that too. On hikes in the woods, we both carry stout hornbeam short staves, about rib high, and a sheath knife openly. K. has had her Swedish Mora for about 30 years now.

At home down the basement we'll hang an old pair of jeans with the legs stuffed with rags and practice thrust and slash technigues, as well as stick work. When our kids got to teen age, we got them into self defense tactics with common everyday objects. Screwdrivers, tightly rolled up magazines, maglights both D cell and the pocket AA minimag used as a fist load or kuboton. A ball point pen is capable of doing a great deal of damage if used with surprise and afor practiced techniques. In resturuants, that butter knife is not to be under estimated. It will still go through a throat if shoved hard. So will a fork. Work on routines with your wife. You may not have your gun on vacation someday, and it's nice to have alternatives in weapons and tactics.

We taught our kids, especially our daughter, that a stick can be gotten anywhere. A rung kicked out of a chair, a garden stake, sturdy pen shoved into a throat or eye or mastoid gland, a towel rack pulled off a wall. Modern sheet rock being what it is, that should not be a problem in todays world when she finds herself out someplace.

Some women have good luck with a box cutter. It's cheap, flat and easy to carry, and if the woman is attacked, can be deployed with surprise to inflict serious injuries. She should go for the motor tendons in the hands he's trying to grab her with, then the face. Very few attackers will press on, and the woman uses the distraction to break off and retreat.

But again, it all depends on how hard and vicious your wife will fight. A woman is smaller and weaker than her attacker, so she needs to use the cornered cat approach. It does work. The third generation is learning these things, as we teach our grandchildren how to defend themselves. Our granddaughter is a brown belt now at age 14, and is also well drilled in how to use a small screwdriver or sturdy pen to go offensive. Her mother, our daughter, is her prime example; Jess is a Maryland state parole agent. Two years ago when she informed a less than well behaved client he was going back to prison, he went ballistic on her and tried to strangle her. Jess is 5' 6" and just over 120 pounds. The guy did go back to prison, but it was after he got out of the emergency ward having the damage fixed. Jess found that a Cross pen will indeed go through a throat.

You need to sit down with your wife and have a long talk with her. If she does indeed realize she's going to have to fight like a cornered Mrs. Tom Cat if something happens, then thats 95% of the battle. Some Krav Maga training to start with, and a good instructor to open her eyes to the weapons that are all around us is an other step. She does not need a gun most of the time to protect herself, when the human mind is the most dangerous potential weapon she has with her all the time.

Having lived most of my life in Maryland, a gun has not been in the cards for us. But I don't see it as that much of a bad thing. Mental attitude, staying alert, keeping track of your suroundings, and not blundering around in condition white will go a very long way to seeing she is never in trouble. Carrying a gun and thinking if there's trouble you can just pull your rosco anbd shoot the perp is not a good mindset. The second you pull that trigger your in a world of legal trouble that will cost you good money for a lawyer to get out of. Even if you get out out of the criminal trouble with a good shooting, the slimeball's family will come up with a shady lawyer and sue you for all you've worked for in your life. Less than leathal is good. Besides, a gun just can't travel with you to some places. New York, Washinton, your town, London, Paris, and some of the other places we've been to, it would have been impossable to have a gun. But my blackthorn walking stick, AA minimag, and my wife's Canemasters cane screwdriver was there in the Louve, The Gugenheim museum of art, and the British museum in London. We didn't feel unarmed.

But it all depends on your wife and her mental makeup. Her mindset.
 
Hello friends and neighbors//
#1 walk with another adult
#2 cell phone ,I don't reccomend 911 on speed dial,(my cousin butt dialed 911 from the golf course and had to go meet them in parking lot once) but she can have 9,1 dialed in then all she need do is dial ,1 enter
#3 whistle or other attention getter
#4 as previously stated ... knowledge of surroundings and attitude
# 5 running is better than wrestling

Her awareness, wits, and discussion of senerios make a prepared mind .....good thread /content
 
Three Pepper Blasters. Two to give four shots, one to try out.

My wife and I each carry one, but not in Chicago. And I also carry a gun.

Content also has given good advice.
 
My #1 option would be to move to a place that allowed my wife to exercise her God-given right to self-defense using Sam Colt's equalizer. I realize that isn't always possible or even desirable (family being the biggest reason).

My #2 option would be to start pestering my elected officials and writing letters to the editor and any other way I could think of to stir things up until the laws got changed. Having been to Chicago more than once in December, I would probably quickly lose patience and resort to option #1. :)

In the meantime I would no doubt proceed with some of the good advice you've been given above but #1 or #2 would have to happen fairly soon. I have very little patience with the men and women who take away God-given rights.
 
Kudos for worrying about the wifey and really taking steps to protect her. let her carry a small knife, whistle, or taser. The average woman is not going to defeat the average man because of strength differences. Teach her some basic self defense, knee to the groin, scratch/stab anywhere on the face. If you thinking mace, check out the tigerlight, because it looks like a flashlight but its got spray too. It comes with training spray so she can practice. Plus she would actually carry it (the biggest problem) because she can use it as a light. I forget what its called but there is a pepper spray out there that is like a foaming spray that goops and sticks to the attacker and it also contains a dye so he is marked too.

http://www.tigerlight.net/Home_Page.html
 
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