Woman wrestles gun away from angry husband, empties into ground

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Basically, the husband goes to the wife's work and argues with her, the argument gets taken outside. He has a .22, she gets it away, and empties it into the ground. Then help arrived.

I think we can take a few things away from this story.

1) Just because he has the drop on you doesn't mean he is going to win, even if he is more armed.
2) Similarly, just because you pull a gun on a BG doesn't mean you've automatically defended yourself. It is easily possible for him to get it away from you, and he won't empty it into the ground.
3) Learning self defense and disarming techniques isn't a bad idea.
4) Knowing how to safely secure the firearm is a great idea (although we on this thread, being more familiar with firearms, already know how).

Below is one of the comments, which I agreed with:
"She fired nine rounds into the ground to get the bullets out of the gun..."

...well, that's one way to empty a gun and make it safe. I would strongly suggest to her that she take a gun safety class and learn how to properly empty a firearm...and while she is at it, she should get her concealed carry permit and blow this guy away the next time he does anything remotely close to this.

With the limited knowledge that she has, she handled the situation very, and thanks to her quick thinking, she did what she had to do...saving her life and perhaps the lives of others. Great job on her part. I'm glad she is okay.
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Hence why I think everyone should know the basics of firearms safety, including the basic rules, how to clear one, and how to safely handle (not even fire) one.
 
Good story thanks for posting.... I've never thought of clearing a gun in that manner but if they are all in the dirt they ain't in her. I guess the method could be an option for those who don't want to be killed by a gun and don't have it in them to empty the mag into their attacker. Too bad he could still beat her to death and she just wasted a solid means of preventing that from happening but every single situation is different and she did what she thought was right for her at that time.Thankfully her choice was the correct one in that instance because she or no one else was killed. Good job....I think?
 
Given her limited knowledge of firearms, but great situational and contextual awareness.... Paste a big fat "winner" medal on this gal.

She neutralized both threats (Man, temporarily and Gun permanently), and no one (even the attacker) was injured by her.

"Mindset, skillset, toolset. In that order"

True statement.

Could things have been done differently ? Sure.

Would any training other than high quality "repetitive and focused" training helped her once the adrenaline kicked in ? Not likely. This is truly fighting for your life... she did an amazing job.
 
CU, I hadn't thought of emptying it into him, I was more thinking about emptying it while keeping the cartridges intact; no chance of stuff ricocheting around.
 
It did not work. There was still ammunition in the weapon when the husband got the firearm back. Without the help of the other people, the husband could have gotten the gun unjambed and fired the cartridge that was still in the weapon.
 
If it was a little .22 it might have had a pretty stiff slide that she would be unable to pull back to eject the round in the chamber. Of course, tis better to drop the mag and then only have to shoot one round into the dirt :)

Or, if it was a politically correct gun, she could have just dropped the mag and thrown it real far away because then it wouldn't have fired anymore.
 
It's possible that she didn't know HOW to unload that type of gun... non-gun people generally don't. In that case, it might have occurred to her that shooting it until it stopped going 'bang' might be the next best thing. Alternatively, she might've just done it to scare her 'macho man with a tiny gun' husband into wetting himself, which might also be good, in its way.
 
Work place affairs is the usual cause of such. Recall one such incident near where I once worked, the woman was having affair with coworker, hubby showed up at the office and all hell broke loose
 
I think actually it's pretty ingenious.

Let's assume you and me are in a serious little scuffle wrestling. You get the gun from me and say "Hang on a sec, lemme clear this gun first so you can't shoot me ... ok ... last round .... alright. Resume scuffling"

Or would it be a smarter choice to grab the gun, empty it forcefully and be done with it, removing it from the situation? I understand gun safety and proper class and range habits, but frankly when I am wrestling with someone who has pulled a gun on me I'm not gonna practice textbook gun safety.
"Sir, while you're attempting to harm me with a gun, please wear safety glasses, or I will have to fine you the usual club fee." Really?

I think she made the smarter tactical choice than a lot of people here are giving her credit for.
 
Have to assume she didn't know how to operate the gun other than to pull the trigger. She also got attention and help by firing the weapon in a safe direction. Good heads-up move on her part. Just glad she didn't get tagged with some nonsense "discharging a weapon" charge or other.
 
It's an approach that's been used before, but whether she had heard of the incident or not I don't know. I doubt it. This was a case where a LEO on a knock-down drag-out struggle with a suspect shot empty a gun to try and keep the suspect from using it.

Desperate situations call for desperate measures, I know, but the thought of anyone firing bullets in such a manner still makes me uncomfortable.
 
Hence why I think everyone should know the basics of firearms safety, including the basic rules, how to clear one, and how to safely handle (not even fire) one.
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Not everyone wants to know, I see no reason to force them if they don't care to get involved in shooting sports or self defense.

Desperate situations call for desperate measures, I know, but the thought of anyone firing bullets in such a manner still makes me uncomfortable.
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Agreed, particularly with a 22. I've fired plenty of 22's into river banks or fields and heard them zipping off through the trees many, many times (safe direction out in the woods of course) growing up squirrel hunting (which eventually turns into pine cone hunting). Small, fast moving rounds love to ricochet.

Given her limited skills, I say she did outstanding overall.
 
Below is one of the comments, which I agreed with:
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"She fired nine rounds into the ground to get the bullets out of the gun..."

...well, that's one way to empty a gun and make it safe. I would strongly suggest to her that she take a gun safety class and learn how to properly empty a firearm...and while she is at it, she should get her concealed carry permit and blow this guy away the next time he does anything remotely close to this.
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I always wonder how many specialized equipment safety classes I need in order to be able to render safe such equipment before it does (more) harm or so that I can use it to save somebody. Let's see, I will need flight training, (choochoo) train training, earthmoving equipment training, woodchipper training, chainsaw training, and training on a whole bunch of different types of farm implements.

It is easy to suggest that she needs a class in gun safety as she was thrust into an incident where she ended up with a gun, but the potential solution does not make for a realistic option when considering how many other types of equipment she might need to be schooled on in case she is ever in a circumstance where she has to deal with it.

Even if she had a class in gun safety, how often would she need to retake it in order to stay current? What gun safety classes actually provide instruction on unloaded all types of guns? How many gun safety classes teach you how to much a gun safe while under high stress such as when your spouse is trying to kill you?


It's an approach that's been used before, but whether she had heard of the incident or not I don't know. I doubt it. This was a case where a LEO on a knock-down drag-out struggle with a suspect shot empty a gun to try and keep the suspect from using it.

Desperate situations call for desperate measures, I know, but the thought of anyone firing bullets in such a manner still makes me uncomfortable.
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I think you are referring to the incident with Officers Steve Chaney and Linda Lawrence where Lawrence lost her life, shot with her own gun. Her partner managed to get it away from the bad guy and at one point the bad guy was on top of Chaney and pummeling him and so to keep the bad guy from being able regain control of either of the officers' loaded weapons, Chaney emptied them into the floor. The entire events of that incident make for a truly epic struggle, the bad guy being shot 10 times with .38 spl +P or .357 mag (accounts vary) including a through and through to his head.
 
The trigger is probably the only part of the gun that she knew how to operate so she unloaded it the only way she knew. This is not what you or I would have done but she did achieve the objective and rendered it unable to fire.
 
Gotta admit, that's one bad [] lady. The image of her taking the gun away and unloading it into the ground Clint Eastwood style while the man watches in shame...Paints a funny picture in my mind. :D
 
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Sounds like she did everything right, given what information and opportunity she had. (I wonder if they prosecute her for discharging the gun?)
 
"Sir, while you're attempting to harm me with a gun, please wear safety glasses, or I will have to fine you the usual club fee." Really?
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Dont forget the ear protection too.

I think she made the smarter tactical choice than a lot of people here are giving her credit for.
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I agree.

It wasnt text book on her part..... I dont think her attacker was following any text book either.


While we all can learn a thing or two from hindsight.... I think we can do it with out criticizing her.
 
Heres the real question. How do you know she isnt gun certified and emptied the weapon in the manner in which crazed husband cant use it and she isnt forced to kill him. Not everyone wants a death on their conscience for any reason
 
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