"Self defense means nothing!"

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I was eating lunch yesterday in a restaurant when i overheard 4 people talking about guns in general.One of the guys was apparently an ex-cop and this is what i heard.Its essentially word for word.
"When i was an officer, people would sometimes inform me that they had a firearm in the vehicle after i had pulled them over.I always asked them why they thought they needed a firearm in their vehicle and i would only accept two answers.If they said they were going to the range or travelling a ways i would let them keep it.If they said they had it for self defense,i would immediately confiscate the weapon.Self defense means nothing."
This was quite disheartening to me and i felt no reason to confront him about it as it wasnt my conversation to begin with.Im glad that all LEO's dont feel this way.
 
Did you ask the former LEO if he "travels light" now? i.e. no weapon in his car for self-defense?
 
You don't think all those guns taken by cops for dumb reason number XXX just "get lost", do you?

The sentiments expressed by the officer are one of the main reasons why a $250 used Taurus resides with me in the car, rather than a $700 Sig. That way, if a policeman ever feels the need for MY property to become HIS property, my financial loss will be minimized.

You can bet that if your gun is ever "confiscated", and no charges are brought against you for anything, you just did your part to contribute to a government employee's private collection.
 
This guy was probably just blowing smoke up his friends hind ends.......I can't imagine a cop doing that and not getting called on the carpet for it...unless the guns were illegal to begin with....that would be different.IMOI know a guy who used to be a security guard...he says he was in "law enforcement".....yeah,Mall law maybe........he says alot of dumb things just to sound cool.......BTW he doesn't..:cool:
 
sounds to me that he is one of the ones that thinks that they know better then you do. I bet that if anyone would have called him on his tactics he would have backed down. Lets face it a well informed citizen would not let him take their gun for the reason that He thinks that self defense means nothing. I would like to have one try to take mine without proper grounds...We have to remember that LEO's are just people two and must be called out if they are in the wrong. Speak up you are allowed!!!.
 
Legally, “self-defense†is just a defense to prosecution for murder. Outside of “right-to-carry†states you are generally not allowed to prepare for self-defense, especially when you are away from your own home.

~G. Fink
 
sounds to me that he is one of the ones that thinks that they know better then you do. I bet that if anyone would have called him on his tactics he would have backed down. Lets face it a well informed citizen would not let him take their gun for the reason that He thinks that self defense means nothing. I would like to have one try to take mine without proper grounds...We have to remember that LEO's are just people two and must be called out if they are in the wrong. Speak up you are allowed!!!.
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If an LEO wants to take your gun or anything else, he's gonna do it, and there really isn't much you can do about it, unfortunately, legally or otherwise. Unless you've got tens of thousands burning a hole in your pocket, and you want to make a MAJOR legal issue over it.
 
You don't need to burn tens of thousands of dollars. Just like cockroaches, scumbags like that scurry when the lights come on. Talk to their superior officers, then talk to the mayor's office, then talk to the news papers. People in official capacity hate public controversy. I would say confiscation of property against the law would be controversial wouldn't you?
 
funny

A pistol I had loaned out got "confiscated" once. When I first tried getting it returned, I kept getting a "we don't have it". Finally got tired, and suggested that maybe the department would like to talk to someone from the capitol. Gee... that pistols turned up awful suddenlike... ;)

You maybe can't stop the original confiscation. But it doesn't necessarily have to cost big bucks to get your property returned (unless you're thinking of a civil forfiture, where things go different)...
 
If an LEO ever tries to illegally confiscate a weapon of mine, I will not allow it to be taken without being arrested first.

Then they will be in a world of trouble with a false-arrest on top of illegal seizure.
 
My wife has an uncle like that.

He thinks that because he was a cop in a small town of 15,000 people that he is a gun expert, tactical expert, self defense expert, ad infinitum.

Of course, guns are not for "ordinary people" - just guys like him who "know what they are doing".
 
I live in Hot Springs. Sounds like the mentality of most LEO's here.
 
Why would you tell a cop that you've got a gun in the car in the first place? Is it required of CCW permit holders? Does it come up on the cops computers that you're a gun owner?

Unless there's another reason for the cop to search the car, I don't understand why that information would be freely offered.

:confused:
 
Here in NC you are required to informan LEO if you are carrying. Most LEO's here in my area wouldnt do this. I would think taking your gun for no other reason than the fact that he doesnt believe in your right to self defence is illegal and should be relieved of his job. Maybe that's why he is a former LEO!
 
I can't speak for other states but here in GA any citizen who can legally own a firearm can legally carry it in a console, glove box, or in plain view on the seat, even without a permit. Permit holders can carry it anywhere in the car, and are not required to inform the police.
 
In TN your CCW is tied to your DL. so when the LEO runs your DL # they will tell him yes or no on CCW permit status
 
I think the guy was just BS'ing his buddies. Probably wants to impress them with power he used to have. If you're packing legal and your polite, I think an officer won't be that much trouble.

If he really did confiscate my firearms despite the above statement, I would probably want to be arrested and then sort it out at the station. I don't think I'm going to wave goodbye to my firearms very casually.
 
This topic really does vary from state to state. I don't know what the "car carry" regs are in AR.

Some states loaded car carry is illegal period. (like here in WI where we don't yet have CCW.)

Or, only legal with a CCW.

Or, legal without a CCW, but if carried a certain way, holstered, glove box, plain sight etc. or if traveling a certain way, like TX's "peacable journey" of more than one county etc.

So what state this conversation takes place in has some bearing on the ret. LEO's comments.

Could also be he'd be perfectly reasonable about a self defense piece on an otherwise law-abiding person on a mere traffic stop. Perhaps it was assumed his friends knew he was talking about "criminals" getting busted for other things who had a weapon turn up and his reaction when they claimed it was for self-defense.

With all those factors, I'd just ignore it, I'd worry more about actions, or a real world case where you knew a CCW holder or a person legal for car-cary in thier state got railroaded.
 
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