Selling black powder handguns

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By federal law, black powder revolvers are not firearms. You can buy, sell, and trade them just as though you were dealing with appliances or furniture.

Whether CA has additional restrictions, I don't know. You'd have to look up the statutes. http://www.packing.org might be a good place to start.
 
Hmmmm. I wonder why you dont see them carried anywhere? I wonder if a shop selling everything except "real guns" would do well? Could have knives, archery stuff, and black powder guns. I wonder if it would do well. I am tempted. I could sell all kinds of cool stuff. But I have a feeling people would come in, touchy feely, then go home and order it on the internet.
 
I meant carried in stores. But that is an interesting question. If they are not considered "guns", can I carry one concealed? Lets please not get into the open carry thing- I was severely beaten up on another thread concerning that subject.
 
Carry'in, if you are curious about it, you might want to check Ca's law about carrying a black powder gun. Many states, while not classifying them as "firearms" like modern firearms per se, still consider them "deadly weapons" or something similar, and are restricted for carry by those laws.
 
Like Malamute said, they are still considered a deadly weapon even though they aren't bought and sold like "regular" guns. I know I have been looking for awhile for a Ruger Old Army black powder revolver, but they aren't easy to find. Most gun shops I've been to can order one, but they don't keep any in stock. As far as carrying one, I'd do it from time to time, but it would be a beast to conceal with a 7 1/2" barrel LOL. Perhaps in colder weather with a long overcoat of some sort ?
 
Just looked it up- cant carry a loaded "muzzle loader" in public on your person, according to the CA DOJ. And I am sure they would consider a cap n ball a muzzle loader.

Tylden, by the way, I have always been curious about ruger old army fans. What is the attraction? I like the reproductions of historical weapons but a "modern" cap n ball leaves me cold.
 
No...they aren't reproduction guns, but from what I understand they are the highest quality black powder guns available and quite accurate to shoot. Many years ago, I had a cheaper bp revolver from cabela's and it was fun while it lasted, but it never was very accurate and I had trouble out of it. I think its fun shooting BP but I've never really done any cowboy shooting or anything...just do it for fun. And....the conversion cylinders are pretty nifty ;)
 
Looks like I am onto a cabal of vicious loophole-in-the-law exploiters. My masters in the ATF will reward me handsomely for this one. Consider yourselves under surviellance. ;)
 
they probably won't need to use a throw down....if I can ever find one they won't have to look any further than the monster holster that reaches down to my knee lol
oh man....I just realized I'll be restricted to driving my truck now....no way that hogleg will fit in my glovebox of my car
 
That ruger is a popgun; you want a real pistol get a Uberti Walker kit from dixie gun works. A true fire-breathing man-killing hunk of metal. You will need to counterbalance the 4+ pounds of it with something really heavy on your other hip. (I personally think it is actually too heavy for a holster)
 
i don't know about anywhere else but in NY bp antiques or replicas are considered firearms only if you have the items to load it (i.e. powder, bullets, caps) in your possesion. you don't need a pistol permit to have one, but you need a pistol permit to load one.
 
The Walker is one heck of a gun, that's for sure and it's made by Uberti (which is good). What do you think of the Colt design though ? I'm a little more partial to a solid top strap and something in stainless steel for BP though...I know, I know...the stainless isn't as authentic as the blued, nor is it as pleasing to the eye , but it sure is a heck of a lot easier to clean and holds up better in my opinion. If having a more authentic replica was higher on my priority list, I'd probably go with the Walker. Neither one of them would be a joy to holster compared to my carry weapons now....more like a scabbard than a holster LOL
 
I don't know about the Ruger, but the Remington type percussion guns tended to foul and have functioning problems sooner than the Colt types.

The Walker, and the later Dragoon pistols were considered horse pistols, meaning they were most often carried ON the horse, rather than a belt holster, (hence the terms "horse pistol" and "belt pistol") The Navy colt, and the 1860 army pistol were considered belt pistols, as they were quite a bit lighter framed.

In the days of the frontier, the 1851 Navy was considered an adequet defensive gun, tho the 1860 Army Colt was a step up. Our reckoning of energy and terminal ballistics give us, I believe, a false impression of the true stopping power of the old loads. Elmer Keith mentions having discussions with Civil War veterens that used percussion pistols in battle, and the feeling was that they were rather good stoppers. Keith continues, stating that the 36 cal percussion guns were considered better stoppers than the the then-current 38 special 158 gr round nose load. He believed that the soft, pure lead bullet, (round balls were prefered) would flatten out on impact, similar to a hollow point bullet, and give good results. One frontier writer stated that the 44 cal guns were prefered for fighting Indians, as ranges could be farther, and one may need to shoot a horse to get the Indian. Several early writers mentioned that the Dragoon pistols were good for running (riding alongside to shoot)buffalo. The paper ballistics don't seem very impressive to us today, but the old guns seemed to get the job done rather well.

The later, lighter Colts, 1851 and 1860 models, became popular very quickly when they came out. The earlier guns, the Walker, few of which were made, and the Dragoons, were very heavy guns.

The Colts guns were pretty simple to take apart to clean. driving the barrel wedge out freed the barrel and cylinder for easy cleaning. The guns would eventually loosen up, but they seem to have given a long service life in general, and the reliabilty, staying free enough of fouling to continue shooting, compared to the Remigton type, helped the Colts to stay at the top of the heap popularity wise.
 
Great post Malamute ! Very informative AND interesting ! Just like modern times, there's no free lunch....each have their strengths and weaknesses, and intended purposes.
 
In the days of the frontier, the 1851 Navy was considered an adequet defensive gun, tho the 1860 Army Colt was a step up. Our reckoning of energy and terminal ballistics give us, I believe, a false impression of the true stopping power of the old loads. Elmer Keith mentions having discussions with Civil War veterens that used percussion pistols in battle, and the feeling was that they were rather good stoppers. Keith continues, stating that the 36 cal percussion guns were considered better stoppers than the the then-current 38 special 158 gr round nose load. He believed that the soft, pure lead bullet, (round balls were prefered) would flatten out on impact, similar to a hollow point bullet, and give good results. One frontier writer stated that the 44 cal guns were prefered for fighting Indians, as ranges could be farther, and one may need to shoot a horse to get the Indian. Several early writers mentioned that the Dragoon pistols were good for running (riding alongside to shoot)buffalo. The paper ballistics don't seem very impressive to us today, but the old guns seemed to get the job done rather well.
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Shoot some aluminum cans with lead ball and see the damage. It rips them apart.
 
It seems to upset some people that the walker loading lever comes down. I remember reading somewhere that in the Mexican war the Walker users would tie the lever to the barrel with......string or something. Anybody else recall reading that?
 
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