Semi-Auto .357 carbine
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And, I need a picante rail for WHAT, exactly? I ain't attackin' the mall this weekend, I'm going hog hunting. 
A real rifle makes real horsepower. A 158 JSP at 2000+ fps is barking on .35 Remington territory. Yet, I can shoot 105 grain LSWCs from .38 brass at 900 fps from the same rifle. Cool! I can go squirrel hunting and woods hunting for hogs and deer with the same rifle. I don't belong to Delta Force. If you do, perhaps you need that picante rail to hold your tortilla chips or something. Me, a ghost ring aperture and I'm golden.
The .351 WSL was a really hot round for such a small case. It was a bit ahead of its time. It was pushing a 180 grain pill to near 2000 fps. That's pretty danged good, right there WITH the .35 Remington and .30-30 Winchester.
A real rifle makes real horsepower. A 158 JSP at 2000+ fps is barking on .35 Remington territory. Yet, I can shoot 105 grain LSWCs from .38 brass at 900 fps from the same rifle. Cool! I can go squirrel hunting and woods hunting for hogs and deer with the same rifle. I don't belong to Delta Force. If you do, perhaps you need that picante rail to hold your tortilla chips or something. Me, a ghost ring aperture and I'm golden. The .351 WSL was a really hot round for such a small case. It was a bit ahead of its time. It was pushing a 180 grain pill to near 2000 fps. That's pretty danged good, right there WITH the .35 Remington and .30-30 Winchester.
jordan1948
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Regarding the Ruger semi-auto .44magnum. There are only 4 round mags available for it but I recall a video on youtube where a guy modified his by cutting out the bottom of them and the tops off of some Desert Eagle mags then welding them together. He made four and shot all of them in the video that functioned flawlessly. I beleive they either held 8 or 10 rounds. With that I don't think it's unreasonable to want a version of this in .357magnum. Heck I might even buy it if the price was right.
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Domino
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Ok, since my thread has been brought back from 4 years ago I figured I would throw a couple more ideas out and see what you guys think.
- What about a carbine like the Marlin model 60 .22lr? Tube fed semi-auto's are used all the time. The question is, if it was made cheaply enough to compete with a lever action would you want one? My only concern would be that it would have to be able to shoot the lightest and heaviest rounds reliably, which may be difficult but it is done with shotguns.
- The next idea is a little more modern. Think of something like the FN P90 in .357 magnum, so it would be a top fed, downward ejecting bullpup. Instead of the 90 degree type magazine you could have essentially 2 seperate tube magazines that are fused together in a sort of box magazine form and insert similarly to the P90 type. Where the magazine locks into the action there is essentially a "selector" that would alternate loading between the two tubes in the same way as the Neostead Shotgun magazine. This way you could probably have a 20-24 round magazine pretty easily with a 16-20" barreled rifle. Now if you could designt the magazine to incorporate 4 tubes in the magazine you could double your firepower!
Any takers on this idea???
Thanks for all the input and thread Necromancy.
- What about a carbine like the Marlin model 60 .22lr? Tube fed semi-auto's are used all the time. The question is, if it was made cheaply enough to compete with a lever action would you want one? My only concern would be that it would have to be able to shoot the lightest and heaviest rounds reliably, which may be difficult but it is done with shotguns.
- The next idea is a little more modern. Think of something like the FN P90 in .357 magnum, so it would be a top fed, downward ejecting bullpup. Instead of the 90 degree type magazine you could have essentially 2 seperate tube magazines that are fused together in a sort of box magazine form and insert similarly to the P90 type. Where the magazine locks into the action there is essentially a "selector" that would alternate loading between the two tubes in the same way as the Neostead Shotgun magazine. This way you could probably have a 20-24 round magazine pretty easily with a 16-20" barreled rifle. Now if you could designt the magazine to incorporate 4 tubes in the magazine you could double your firepower!
Any takers on this idea???
Thanks for all the input and thread Necromancy.
jordan1948
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If you stuck with the detachable mags then this could be solved by making it a gas opperated semi-auto with an adjustable piston.
I am utterly intrigued by the the idea of adopting an operating system akin to the FNP90 to use as a .357 magnum carbine. I absolutely would buy one.
It would be, dare I say, FN awesome!
Seriously, though - THAT is a great idea. Well done!
It would be, dare I say, FN awesome!
Seriously, though - THAT is a great idea. Well done!
Lone_Gunman
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I guess no one ever hear of 351 Winchester?
P. Plainsman
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Did you actually read the thread?
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I had a 10mm Mech Tech upper with a dedicated Glock 20 lower, which I sold. Nice gun, handy & all, but just couldn't see a use for it really. If I'm gonna hunt, I want something slightly more powerful, and if I'm gonna use a carbine for self-defense, it'll be a more powerful round also. But that was closest thing to a .357 semi.
That and this one - it's pretty fast and in .357 mag:
That and this one - it's pretty fast and in .357 mag:
Since we're adding on to a five year old thread...
The comment about converting a FN PS90 to .357 mag got me thinking. According to Wikipedia, the overall length of each cartridge (including bullet) is 40.5mm for the 5.7x28 and 40mm for the .357. It sounds to me that such an adaptation by FN is very possible.
I've already got a few other wants on my "to get" list, but I'd definately put a .357 mag PS90 on the list.
The comment about converting a FN PS90 to .357 mag got me thinking. According to Wikipedia, the overall length of each cartridge (including bullet) is 40.5mm for the 5.7x28 and 40mm for the .357. It sounds to me that such an adaptation by FN is very possible.
I've already got a few other wants on my "to get" list, but I'd definately put a .357 mag PS90 on the list.
FourteenMiles
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I would buy a semi-auto .357 in a second. Especially if there was an handgun carbine combo; make that half a second. Actually I've been contemplating this idea for a while but was keeping it secret 'cause I though I was avant garde...guess not.
What about the Bren gun? Or the Ruger Deerfield? Or the Lewis MG? I haven't heard too many complaints on any of them. I realize that the Deerfield didn't last on the market all that long but those that have them seem to like them.
I think instead of looking at a great proven cartridge, like the .357 magnum, companies these days just try to come up with a new cartridge that simulates or "improves" the old cartridge, which IMO is just the downfall of whatever new platform being pushed.
JFrame
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Based on the comments on this thread, I guess I'm in the minority of folks who think a semiauto carbine in .357 would be the Cat's Meow...
I have a Winchester Trapper in .357, and a semiauto in the same chambering would make a nice companion piece. For that matter, a pump action in the Timberwolf mold would be nice also...
I live in a fairly built-up suburban area, and it's not that convenient getting to a rifle range. But I can pop off all day long with a pistol-caliber carbine at my local indoor range 10 minutes away (albeit at a max 25 yards...).
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I have a Winchester Trapper in .357, and a semiauto in the same chambering would make a nice companion piece. For that matter, a pump action in the Timberwolf mold would be nice also...
I live in a fairly built-up suburban area, and it's not that convenient getting to a rifle range. But I can pop off all day long with a pistol-caliber carbine at my local indoor range 10 minutes away (albeit at a max 25 yards...).
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TonyRumore
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You could run the .357 mag in an AR-15 using a Desert Eagle magazine.
Here's one of six that I made many years ago in 44 Rem Mag.
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Here's one of six that I made many years ago in 44 Rem Mag.
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Jason_W
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How hard would it be to just make a rimless version of the .357 mag case? I'm thinking the rimless version could still be used in revolvers with the aid of moon clips.
A traditional looking rifle with a tube magazine that held 10 rounds of .357, but in semi-auto action would be a great rifle, especially in CA. Probably would have to use some variant of the HL roller-lock design to avoid having a third tube for gas, however. Or the gas tube could go under the grip. Either way, if it looked like an old Winchester Trapper, say, but without the lever, I think it would sell.
Marshall
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I think I would just a-soon have the .30 Carbine round itself improved upon and watch the .30 carbine firearm offerings improve.
R.W.Dale
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357 auto mag rifle/carbine
I am wondering what it would take to convert a savage/stevens to the rimless 357 auto mag other than a new barrel....assuming you use the 308 boltface ....you could load 300 grain bullets ala whisper speeds subsonics and use 125-158 for deer loads.
I am wondering what it would take to convert a savage/stevens to the rimless 357 auto mag other than a new barrel....assuming you use the 308 boltface ....you could load 300 grain bullets ala whisper speeds subsonics and use 125-158 for deer loads.
alchemist11
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This thread is too good to die! The .357 mag is one of my fave cartridges. I'd buy a semi auto .357 mag in a heart beat. It would be a great small game rifle, personal defense carbine, plinker, and with 180 grain hornadys a great deer, hog, and black bear rifle. Lemag use to converted M1 carbines to .357. He had a super reputation but was a real jerk to deal with and never put up a website. So converting M1's is possible. I wish ruger would make a 99/357. Oh well, guess I'll just dream!
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