Semi-auto for wife

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Seanpcola

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Here's the problem:

Finally got my wife to spend time with my XD9sc and LCP since we are trying to find what she likes for carry. She used to be extremely athletic in her younger days but we discovered last night that she just really does NOT have the grip strength anymore to rack the slide back. :(

Is there any semi-autos that have a particularly easy slide or should we start looking at wheel guns?

Would something in .22 have a weaker slide? I've never tried something in that caliber myself.

TIA,

Sean
 
I am pretty green in the world of firearms but I have been doing a lot of surfing/research. I have heard on the Tom Gresham on the radio http://www.guntalk.com/site.php address this topic before. The short version was don't go straight to a smaller gun. Try several and if at all possible let her pick it out. There are some techniques/classes geared specifically toward women that might help. OTOH, if it is DAO, you could carry with one in the chamber. Then there is no need to rack the slide. My .380 is double action only and there is no way that trigger could be accidentally operated at 7+ lbs. I don't want to start the .22 vs. .45 argument but as men we typically will "throw hardware at what might possibly be a training issue." , Tom Gresham. Lastly the best gun for her is the one she'll feel best carrying and practicing with. Good luck and congratulations, my wife won't touch a firearm.
 
Thanks for the responses guys.

My wife grew up on a horse ranch (breeders/racers) and was packing rifles since she was old enough to ride so she's really comfortable with rifles and shotguns. Her daddy wouldn't let her ride alone without being armed. Handguns are another story...........until recently. She finally is seeing the light and I'm feeling good about that.

I thought about her carrying one in the chamber and not having to worry about the slide but I'd feel better if she was fully functional with whatever she is carrying. Best thing to do may be to take her to the LGS and talk to the guy that I really trust to give good advice. Let her feel a few different one in her hands and see what she thinks. I'd rather her have something with a lot of capacity but revolvers may be the answer.

Michael R, thanks for the reference to the P-95. I'll check that out this weekend.

Sean
 
First off, try this with her and see if it works. Have her grip the slide with her left hand and push the frame away with her right hand. Don't try to pull the slide, push the frame instead. My sister-in-law had the same problem and it worked for her. My wife bought herself a Taurus PT-111 and it was fairly easy to operate. It was also a very good gun for a woman to conceal. You have to realize that the smaller the gun, the stronger the springs have to be to control the round and hold up under the shock they take.

The double action trigger pull on some revolvers and semi's can be fairly stout as well. Some run in the 8 to 12 pound range which is as much or more effort than it takes to rack the slide on most pistols.
 
A .22 pistol should work though its usefulness as a self defense gun is questionable. What about a DA revolver, she could cock the hammer/
 
First off, try this with her and see if it works. Have her grip the slide with her left hand and push the frame away with her right hand. Don't try to pull the slide, push the frame instead. My sister-in-law had the same problem and it worked for her. My wife bought herself a Taurus PT-111 and it was fairly easy to operate. It was also a very good gun for a woman to conceal. You have to realize that the smaller the gun, the stronger the springs have to be to control the round and hold up under the shock they take.

The double action trigger pull on some revolvers and semi's can be fairly stout as well. Some run in the 8 to 12 pound range which is as much or more effort than it takes to rack the slide on most pistols.

That is great advice. Also OP may want to see if local gun store will let her try doing that on a number of different pistols. I know mine would.
 
Have you two read Thecorneredcat.com Written by a woman, it has techniques for even weak-handed folks on how to rack slides - worth the read before you go looking for guns
 
Okay, you want a weaker pull. To do that you can do a few things, and I'll use Glocks as an example since I have a few different ones and it should make the comparisons easier and clearer. One is to get a lighter spring, but you can't go too low, and you should aim to use lower powered ammo. I use a 15lb. spring in my G17L instead of 17, but I fire a slower target round in it. Keep in mind too that a weak grip can cause problems with some weapons. I hear a weak grip on a Glock can cause malfunctions, but I haven't tried it. I suspect it has to be pretty weak, and I doubt she's that weak.

Another way is to get a pistol that has a heavier slide. Because the 9mm will generate similar recoil energy in any pistol, they are all designed similar in regards to the slide weight/spring weight combination. You can reduce weight in one if you increase the other without changing the load you fire.

A case in point is the G27. It takes a lot of strength to pull that back (comparatively) and my wife can't do it easily, it has a smaller, lighter slide. It also has a shorter spring, and that doesn't help either, as the shorter spring requires more force to collapse per inch than a long one. Even though they require the same amount of force overall, the shorter one will be perceived to be more difficult.

So heavier slides that have longer recoil springs will rack the easiest given a fixed cartridge. Lighter springs can be used with lighter loads, but you have to make sure reliability isn't compromised by the change.

Of all the Glocks I have, the G21 is the easiest by far to rack. I reckon the G20 would be too, but it hasn't been shot yet. Now my wife is recoil sensitive, and she hates the G27, she is okay with the G17 and carries one, but the one she likes shooting the most, ironically, is the G29 10mm with 200gr. XTP's handloaded to about 1000fps (but not 155gr. or 180gr.). She hasn't shot the G21, but I suspect she would like that even better with heavy bullets at lower speeds, say 230gr. at 800-900fps. A non +P load.

So don't rule out heavier calibres, just the opposite. Some ligher calibres can be the devil to cock. While she likely would have difficulty charging the G29, the G21 or G20 may be okay, and in addition to those slides being heavier, they are wider and easier to grasp too. Using a big heavy bullet also changes the recoil profile from brisant to dull --instead of a quick SHOCK! you get a slow shoooove. Go try one. Best advice is to go to the gun store and just try 'em all. I've given you the basics that are governed by physics, so think about slide weight vs. spring weight, think about a full size pistol and not a compact.

I just thought of another option, but it probably isn't best for carry. Race guns sometimes have cocking knobs. They make one for Glocks that swap out with the rear plate. Makes it easier and faster to cycle, but it also makes it easier to get hung up on the draw.

The revolver will certainly eliminate charging difficulty, but make sure she can operate the trigger DA and the hammer SA. My wife's 317 .22 is very heavy, and she can't hit anything because it is so difficult to pull the trigger. The 686+ 6" .357 conversely, is her favorite handgun period. Smooth trigger and hammer, but it has had a lot of work. Low recoil, but it is big. They make a 3" version though, and I bet that would be an ideal carry revolver. Easier to conceal than the 4", but more power than the snub.

Outfitting the wife can be difficult, and they will surprise you at what they like and what they don't like. I never thought 10mm would be appropriate for my wife given her specifications on what a pistol should be (no recoil, weightless, tiny, but sufficient power and accuracy?). But she likes it, and also my friend's daughter, who is 16, prefers shooting that G29 with heavy bullets over the G17 and the G27 too.
 
Have you two read Thecorneredcat.com Written by a woman, it has techniques for even weak-handed folks on how to rack slides - worth the read before you go looking for guns
Yeah, I tend to grab the top of the slide with whole hand and that seems easier come to think of it.
 
Having only one useable and weaker side myself, left side is paralyzed, I've learned a few tricks along the way, along with some advice from here, with my semi autos. Try using the Rear sight as the push point on the edge of a table to push the frame forward and rack the slide. She could also use the heal of her boots, a Kydex type holster, belt or pocket. I even did it just for kicks on the top of my logger boots one day just to see if I could. These were all stock sights by the way

There was a gentleman that responded to one of the threads I started that had a smith cut grooves on his slide so he could use the push method to rack the slide on his jeans or shorts, or whatever.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=594562
About 1/2 way down on 2nd page

Might help you and or her
 
Lemme quote and refine myself here.

She is her own shooter. She needs to make the choice and she needs to buy her own gun. No prescreening, no "advice" no "steering" her to the gun you want.
It may seem like she can't make up her mind, but I assure you, if you stop and step back she will, if she actually wants a gun.

[...]

[or] While we're at it ... just get her a pocket .22. she can't handle anymore, right? You know, them womenfolk need a good little .22, cause the little ladies just can't handle anymore. [Right?!]
 
We got a Hi-Power for my wife. It was the only 9mm auto we could find that should could rack the slide on. She shoots it decently too.... about every other year.

In the end, she felt much more confident in her Browning Buck Mark. It is loads easier to rack the slide, she is super accurate with it, and I believe she will be better with it than the Hi-Power with good ammo. (MiniMag solids)

As for grip strength, it doesn't take much, with the right technique. Try having her hold the gun sideways in front of her. One hand grabs the grip, the other grabs the slide. Then, use pectoral muscles to rack the slide instead of arms.

Also, it is worth considering revolvers.

My wife told me the other day (to my dismay) that if someone broke in, she would go for my SP-101 and not her Buck Mark. "What!!?? You never practice with it!" >> "Still, I feel better knowing I don't have to rack a slide or worry about limp-wristing." Women make it so difficult.
 
Come over this weekend Sean. She and Laurie can talk about shoes and shoot Laurie's little Bodyguard. I created a monster when I bought that thing for her! But she handled about 20 small pistols until she found one she could rack the slide, pull the trigger and felt like she could aim it reasonably well. Turns out she's a natural shot! All hits right around the center area!
 
There is no better value than a Sig P250 (manufactured in 2011). You can get a new one for around $370.

I've never seen a gun with such an easy-to-rack slide.

The P250 is a GREAT gun!
 
CorneredCat.com
check it out
actually check it out with her
it a sight by a member
who is a firearms instructor and a WOMAN, and a mother.
 
Walther PK380, go feel one at out at your local gun store. Very Very light recoil spring, effortless to rack the slide., And a decent cartridge, .380 ACP
 
The Ruger P95 9mm is by far the easiest to rack...

It has a 11 pound spring. Even my 12 year old grandaughter can rack it with ease and she is only about 90 lbs.
 
That said, if she does not want a 9mm, then the Walther PK380..

would be the best in that caliber. It only weighs 19.4oz with empty mag in it and much smaller in size than the P95 Ruger.
 
easiest slide to rack is a walther pk380 (not ppk). it takes virtually no effort.

i think there are some berettas where the barrel tips up and you can load the chamber without having to rack the slide, too.
 
I would not go to revolvers before trying out larger semi-autos. For example, full size M&P is easier to rack than the compact, and in this case everything else is exactly the same. I bet you can put full size slide, barrel, and spring on compact frame and get the same effect.
 
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