semi-auto shotgun

[oneounceload]

Still, hard to believe a company with such a positive reputation regarding quality and workmanship like Remington would put their name on a product they don't stand behind.

The issues seem to be more with the lower priced items - items made to compete with the cheap Chinese/Turkish stuff. Everyone has been screaming for cheap - now you got it and don't like it......The high-end stuff from Remington and others is just fine - but when you are trying to make things to a certain low price point, quality is NOT high on the priority list - speed of manufacturing is along with a large volume.

You, as the consumer, has to decide what is important to you - sadly it seems, that a large folks would rather have cheap than good.......

You Do get what you pay for - IMO.....YMMV

 

[ArmedBear]

The high-end stuff from Remington

What high-end stuff?

They haven't made anything high-end since 1984. Sadly.

 

[chas08]

we are all here to gain more information and feedback from others who may have experiences with something we are interested in spending our hard-earned money on, and what's what I'm trying to do with the least bit of sarcasm and smart-alleckness as possible.

Well Said ! ! !
Check out this youtube video on the Baikal 153/ Remington 453 (essentially the same gun) your choice may not be a bad one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bA5JFrHRTU
I favor 1100's I've owned and shot several others. The 1100 is simply my favorite. I have never owned a Baikal semi-auto but I do own three of their SxS, a 16,20 & 28 ga they have been very solid, dependable firearms so far. If you want more to read about the Spr 453 use the search feature on this forum I typed Remington Spr 453 into the search bar and immediately had more than I cared to read. Best wishes....chas

 

[ArmedBear]

My old club had a 453 in rental service. It did pretty well AFAI, in an abusive environment.

It was fairly heavy, but balanced well and worked well.

 

[Virginian]

I can't speak as an owner because I tried one, shot one, and didn't like it. It feels like a Russian gun. If I have to go into combat to defend life and limb, give me an AK-47... please ! If I need help buliding a barn, give me one of the more 'solid' Russian ladies to help me. If I want to shoot something that I think looks and feels good, I don't want a Russian gun. If I want female companionship for..... let's just say my wife isn't Russian.

 

[FAS1]

I have a Benelli M1 Super 90 similiar to this one in the pic. I have an O/U also that I shoot sheet with. The thing I like about the Benelli is that it's a good all around shotgun and it stays very clean compared to most gas operated semi-auto shotguns. If you shoot it alot, you will appreciate this benefit.

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f49/postban/Benelli%20M1%20Super%2090/100_3208.jpg

 

[hometheaterman]

The issues seem to be more with the lower priced items - items made to compete with the cheap Chinese/Turkish stuff. Everyone has been screaming for cheap - now you got it and don't like it......The high-end stuff from Remington and others is just fine - but when you are trying to make things to a certain low price point, quality is NOT high on the priority list - speed of manufacturing is along with a large volume.

You, as the consumer, has to decide what is important to you - sadly it seems, that a large folks would rather have cheap than good.......

You Do get what you pay for - IMO.....YMMV

While I agree with a lot of times you get what you pay for I'm not sure I agree with the rest of the post. Remington doesn't really make much I know of that's really high end and hasn't for a while as pointed out.

The other thing is a 870 Express Super Mag for $350 isn't exactly a cheap gun. You expect the cheaper wood and what not but not quality problems. A lot of their other guns aren't cheap either. If it was a $50-100 gun you would expect some issues but Savage as well as Marlin seem to be able to make guns in their same price ranges that don't have all these issues with quality.

 

[oneounceload]

What high-end stuff?

They haven't made anything high-end since 1984. Sadly.

My 1100 is well-made with some really nice wood on it - had it about 8 years now - fun to shoot 28 gauge. Some of the new wingmasters that i have seen, handled and shot were nice-looking, smooth-operating guns.......don't know about the low-end stuff, but it seems that most folks here are buying the low end stuff. Some are wanking, some aren't.

 

[ArmedBear]

Neither the 1100 nor the 870 are high-end in any of their guises. That doesn't mean they don't work, but they're designed specifically to be spit out of 1950s machinery. Design decisions, when necessary, were invariably made to optimize them for that production process, not for the shooter. Personally, I think the 870 Express represents a good value, since you're not paying for any lipstick on the pig, and mine has given me no trouble.

The last "high-end" production shotgun Remington made was the 3200, discontinued in 1984.

Of course, with handmade $200,000 models out there, what exactly constitutes "high-end" is subject to debate, but the 870 and 1100 ain't it, any more than my Toyota pickup was. Yeah, I drove it for 242K miles then sold it to someone else who kept driving it, but that didn't make it a Rolls-Royce, or even a low-end Benz.

 

[snooperman]

CZ 712 or 720

The CZ is nice but is made in Turkey. I do not have one but shot one last week on my farm that belongs to a friend and it was $400.00 new. I was quite impressed with the quality. You may want to give it a look- see. It would shoot everything we put in it.