senator wants cameras on cop guns

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N.Y. Senator Pushes For Cameras On Cop Handguns
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) ― In a flash, a police officer draws a handgun from its holster. Less than two seconds later, a red laser and bright light shine at whatever is in the gun barrel's path while a mini-camera records it all.

That's how mini-cams on police handguns would work under a proposal gaining support in New York, which would be the first state in the nation to require the technology. State police were briefed on the technology and are reviewing it for a possible pilot program, said Michael Balboni, the state's deputy secretary for public safety.

The device could create a critical visual and audio record of police shootings for use in court, said state Sen. Eric Adams, a Brooklyn Democrat and former police officer. He is drumming up support for testing the cameras with the state police SWAT squad.

Adams said recordings from the $695 cameras couldn't be altered by a police officer and would quell many questions after controversial police shootings, like the deaths in New York City of Amadou Diallo in 1999 and Sean Bell in 2006.

"That's definitely a new thing," said Meredith Mays of the International Association of Chiefs of Police based in Virginia. She said police have known the technology existed, but no state has required it.

Some police departments have put cameras on Tasers in the last couple years, but there is no major national effort by police to seek or block gun cameras at the federal level, according to the National Association of Police Organizations, a major lobbyist.

"We believe the state of New York can lead the country," said Adams, who retired after 21 years as a New York police officer. "There no longer can be a question mark that lingers after shootings."

Adams, who was never involved in a shooting, said the lights on the 5-ounce camera could be turned off if they would expose the officer to danger in a dark area. But the camera and optional audio recorder would remain operating for up to 60 minutes.

He said the images would also help identify suspects who get away. He wants a pilot program that would allow testing by police at shooting ranges. That could lead to a law mandating the gun cameras, he said.

Adams knows many police won't embrace the idea at first.
There was no immediate comment from the police department and police officers union in New York City. Mayor Michael Bloomberg's office said it will review any legislation that comes from Adams' effort.

But in Albany, there is growing support.

Republican Sen. Dale Volker of Erie County, a former police officer who would be critical to passing the Democrat-backed bill, already sought funding for a pilot program. But that $300,000 request to test the technology in state police SWAT squads was cut in the budget this spring as part of efforts to close a deficit of about $5 billion.

"You have to understand, particularly in urban areas today, it is not like the old days when if someone was shot you went before a grand jury," said Volker. Today, he said, an officer would also face intense media and community attention.

"It's a different world," he said. "It's not even a matter of right and wrong a lot of times. It's that people decide very often whatever you did was probably wrong."

In the Democrat-led Assembly, Adams and his colleagues in the influential black, Hispanic and Asian caucus like the idea.
The gun camera is made by Legend Technologies, based in the Adirondack mountains town of Keesville, N.Y.


Can't wait for the case where they slow the frame rate and increase the contrast and show something that the officer clearly should have seen.
 
I hope it works. With all the no-knock raids at the wrong address and the shootings that happen, perhaps this will be a check on abuse. I am not real sure how an honest cop could be against this. If I were in a business that required me to deal out lethal force, I would want all the back-up I could get.
 
The camera will break and then the officer will be accused of breaking it so he can do what he wants. Is there really a camera that can stand up to the recoil forces of a handgun?
 
I'm calling it here first.

I predict this will follow the same pattern as "smart guns" did in NJ.

"Smart guns" started out as a measure for police side arms.

The well organized police unions spent all of about $5 and 5 minutes to get it taken off them, and dumped onto the hapless (and helpless) NJ residents.
 
If they work, they would be a great tool, 1 lawsuit prevented would be cheaper then out fiting a force with them.
 
If I was forced to add an extra 5 ounces* to my handgun I'd want it to be in ammo capacity, not a camera.

*(The article doesn't clarify if the lights and batteries weigh more.)
 
I predict the police are going to yell and scream and hop up and down and snivel and whine about gun cameras. I might be inclined to sympathize with them, but haven't forgotten how many uniformed cops have testified against concealed carry and shall issue laws.

If they'd wanted my support, they'd have earned it.
 
I think it's a neat idea, but not practical.

Also, I agree on the potential for spillover into the civvy world.
 
They have them on some tasers now. I forget the actual statistics but it has led to something like a 96% rate of dismissals in "police brutality" cases. You cant argue the camera.

However, on a handgun it makes sense, but some shots may be taken at a rather far distance. The taser can only be deployed with 21 feet IIRC. Granted most police shootings occur within 10 yards. However, its just a "what if" scenario.

Also, some departments have officers attach laser/flashlight combos to their accessory rails. If you install cameras you will have no room. And Id rather have a laser/light combo to save my ass on the street rather than a camera to save me in court.

my two cents.
 
Putting cameras on police officers' guns makes as much sense as setting up cameras so that police can watch and record innocent civilians without their knowledge or permission.
 
I don't like the idea. Now with modern gear why not mount a camera (like Universal Soldier) and other "futuristic" shows where assult teams have a camera either mounted on shoulder or on hat that transmits back to command post. There they could decide if a situation warrents deadly force. Is so they could send a radio signal to the Officers duty belt to unlock the gun. Then a supervisor would review the info and the superviser would decide if it warrents unlocking the gun so the Officer can fire. (maybe call the legal dept first and have them review it as well)
Pictures don't lie but people interperate what they "think" they see based on their background/what they WANT to see.
You want real fun? Record a short chase scene from a cop show. (Mine was Hill Street Blues We were warned to observe carefully. Afterwards we had a questions on a paper. Most people failed MISSERBALLY.

The questions I recall were "who shot the Officer? " Which Officer got shot and where?" "Did any of the criminals get shot by Police?"
Well I KNEW nobody got shot. The Officers had their guns drawn but a car door slam/something else made a "gunshot" sound. And the lady Officer got CUT in her hand bad and none of bgs got shot either.
I forget numbers but class was at least 70 people. Majority had SOMEONE firing a shot. and Lady Officer hit in hand. (they saw blood) Many had (the guy wore cowboy boots and had a black partner) shoot one of the perps.
 
I'm kinda mixed on this I think putting it on the gun is the wrong place maybe on the officers shoulder would be a better idea, I'd say helmet but they're only really used my SWAT guys for the most part so not really an option. You could still set it up so that the camera comes on when the officer draws his pistol or with a manual switch. The biggest downside I see is some innocent officer or citizen getting railroaded by some video that's been "enhanced" to death to show what the prosecutor wants.
 
Is this any different than dash-cams in police cruisers? My sense has been that the dash-cams tend to exonerate the good cops and give credence to abuse claims against the bad ones.

The crucial difference in my mind between this and "smart guns" is that this doesn't affect the reliability of the gun. It'll still go bang when you pull the trigger, whether the camera fails or not.
 
Look at how small and cheap video recorders have become, so that they can be thrown in as an extra on a cell phone?

It should certainly be possible to integrate one with tactical light/laser combo, give it a couple of hours of recording time with sound and use a simple switch, magnet, whatever to pause recording when the weapon is holstered.

Like Igoodude said, this would protect the good cops and deter the bad ones. I don't see a down side.
 
BETTER YET.

the guns and cameras could be linked to a central computer in Mayor Bloombergs office, this computer would give "authorization" for the officer to shoot or not.
 
Follow the money. I guarantee there is a connection between the manufacturer of the so-called gun cam and the senator.


Yep. Exactly what I was thinking.
 
I think some sort of wearable camera on cops in a fantastic idea. Not only for accountability reasons, but it also helps with training, as a camera view can show what officers did right or wrong, and things that they might not have noticed in the heat of the moment. A camera has great AAR possibilities. It also would be great evidence, both prosecuting crooked cops, and exonerating accused cops who are innocent. Dash cams have been a great success, and I think wearable cams are the next inevitable step.
 
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