Not necessarily, it depends on what source of reload data you look at. Some are just regular spp even for the
"hot" loads
Did the OP ever say what ammo he was using? Factory or reloads??
Sending my SP101 back to Ruger
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Not necessarily, it depends on what source of reload data you look at. Some are just regular spp even for the
"hot" loads
Did the OP ever say what ammo he was using? Factory or reloads??
RealGun
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What's the answer?
Jason_W
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A combination of the two.
light .32 h&r target handloads and federal 100 grain factory loads.
light .32 h&r target handloads and federal 100 grain factory loads.
Zendude
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Had to send my Ruger back shortly after buying it too. From what I’ve read, other quality companies have issues brand new out of the box too. Just seems to be the norm. The difference is which companies have the best customer service and quickest turnaround. For that, it’s hard to beat Ruger.
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Last 3 SP101 revolvers all 357mag ... had QC issues ...
At a LGS the owner showed me a SP101 that he ordered for a customer that the cylinder drug against the forcing cone .. It also had terrible crane arm / frame fit ... I had one with that same issue ...
I don't think Id buy a new Ruger revolver unseen
At a LGS the owner showed me a SP101 that he ordered for a customer that the cylinder drug against the forcing cone .. It also had terrible crane arm / frame fit ... I had one with that same issue ...
I don't think Id buy a new Ruger revolver unseen
All measurements on a manufactured part have tolerances. They however do not run oversize and undersize based on tooling wear. If correctly done they remain within the specifications established for the part so that they will always mate properly with the rest of the parts. You do not start with tooling that gives out of spec parts, and you do not end with tooling that gives out of spec parts.
Do both of those stick??
If so, it would not be "prudent" to send Ruger fired cases of "reloads" if you get my drift.
Master Blaster
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So why do we repeatedly hear complaints about undersized cylinder charge holes and over sized cylinder charge holes, while most are good??? Tooling size and wear seems to be a probable issue.
Jeb Stuart
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My gosh, I have seen way too many pics of their shoddy workmanship over the past few years. They seem like a entirely different company from what I use to know. It also seems to me, or I get the impression that they are taking a different path for the future. At least in their Revolvers and semi auto's. There are a few Ruger Models out now that IMO are some of the most over rated pistols I have seen. Ruger also appears to spend a ton of money on ads and marketing. They love to sell the SIZZLE and NOT the steak. But if it works, I guess you cannot blame them. It always comes down to the money and I think they know the market of buyers well. (First time buyers and less expensive models). I doubt you will see the quality of say a SR9C any longer. I think those days are over. Just my 2cents.
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Interesting. there is a really good post by a former well respected Gunsmith that seems to not agree with your post. I will try and find it, I saved it somewhere in my files. From what I gathered and can remember there is some tooling equipment that does indeed wear out and why it seems quality runs in batches. I am no expert by any means, but will find it interesting to hear both sides.
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From my time in machining and working with people who have worked at Ruger, I can safely say that putting in an oversize tool and letting it wear down is not a method used in the field because by the time the tool wears that much it would have broken.
There are a few factors as to why during a production run the size of a dimension can change without it being intentional. Tool wear is one, but it's more to do with the increased pressures resulting from a dull tool causing deflection. Another is if there's not enough coolant getting to the part or tool it will cause expansion and inconsistent cuts. This is normally an issue with soft materials like aluminum, but can happen with some steels.
All this can be avoided with proper in process inspections done by the operators. I think it's largely a training issue and a skill issue; you're not going to be getting high quality at under $12/hour wages in a place that treats you like a number and is a dead end job with no advancement.
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I'm with you to a point. Some of their guns you have to weigh the price and quality. Something like the LCP and LC9s/EC9s and even the Wrangler and LCR, at the prices they cost, are really good for the money. Stuff that was designed to be as cheap to produce as possible like the Security 9 are not as good as used guns you can find on the market, and then there's the revolvers.
Everybody who makes a revolver for under $800 is having QC issues. Revolvers are a design that were meant to be made by hand, one cut at a time on a manual machine in a factory in a production line by guys who had been doing it for decades and the focus was on good quality. Today entire parts are made on CNC's in batches by a guy who has been there for 6 months, probably has a substance problem, and won't be there long because the pay isn't good and the focus is on good efficiency.
It's gotten to the point for me that I won't buy a brand new revolver from anyone. Almost every time I do, I'm disappointed, near every time I buy a used revolver, I'm impressed.
stonebuster
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The OP posted his understandable frustration with the function of his new Ruger. The bottom line is Ruger will fix or replace it and get it back to him quickly at no charge. I bought a SP101 357 2" cheap with an obvious trigger issue from a seller who had it for two months. I sent it to Ruger and a week later they sent it back fixed. That's all I expect from a manufacturer today. I know a Ruger isn't a Korth but a good solid gun for the money.
MidRoad
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Exactly and it's not just the firearm industry, everything is like that these days. It's all about moving product. I work on green and yellow agricultural/ lawn and garden equipment for a living. It don't matter the brand you buy these days, be it green, red or blue. They all have their problems. The service and warranty you get tends be a bigger deciding factor these days. Kinda a sad thing really.
LUCKYDAWG13
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Vary true and the service from Ruger is outstanding
RealGun
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I think Federal should be credited for the research, but the theory of using primers meant for higher pressures makes sense. Other data sources ignoring or effectively disputing that doesn't mean the theory and practice is invalid.
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