.455_Hunter
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I saw an article from the New York Post dated Sept 8, 2015, stating that there are only 214 six-shot .38 revolver carrying officers left on a force of about 35,000. My how times have changed...
Sep 2015 NYPD Revolver Update- 214 Six-Shot .38's Left in Service
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Yes but how many more are BUGS?
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Panzerschwein
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They'd have to be Colts to be 6 shot BUGs.
Still pretty cool, not a lot, but still neat how they're out there.
Still pretty cool, not a lot, but still neat how they're out there.
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.455_Hunter
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The article was referencing carrying a six-shot .38 as the primary weapon, like a DAO Model 10, 64 or GP-100. I am sure the number of j-frame BUGS is much higher.
Deaf Smith
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But... in gun fights, has hit rates, survival rates, or anything else improved for all the change?
Try a NYPD service handgun with NY-2 trigger (all of 'em have it.)
Deaf
Try a NYPD service handgun with NY-2 trigger (all of 'em have it.)
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Two Houston PD Central Patrol Division street patrol officers still carry L-frames in their duty rigs. There are probably many more, in other divisions. These two are still working the streets, on night shift, in one division, which is significant. (There are about 43 officers on night shift in that division.) HPD went all-.40 in 1997, but many officers still carry "grandfathered" duty handguns. There are about 5000 officers working in all of HPD.
I think one admin officer on night shift, in the same division, still carries her L-frame. She will be retiring soon. Another night shift Central Patrol Division officer, who worked the front desk, carried his K-frame until retiring in November 2014. So, until a year ago, almost 10% of one patrol division's night shift officers, both street and desk, were still carrying revolvers on duty, but that will be cut in half within months, for a reduction of 50% within about a year. The two remaining officers have not stated their retirement plans, but might remain for several more years. The older of the two has almost 32 years of seniority, the other was hired in the early 1990s.
One HPD officer, working for another patrol division, was still carrying his 6" .44 Mag S&W sixgun on duty, quite recently, and may still be. The 6" tube indicates he has "grandfathered" it since 1987, when all duty revolvers were mandated to have 3" to 4" barrels.
I prefer to neither confirm nor deny that I work for HPD, for various reasons. I last carried revolvers in my uniformed duty holster in 1997, when I switched to 1911 pistols. (I reluctantly switched to .40 Glocks in 2002, when my skinny right hand no longer reliably depressed the grip safety sufficiently, even with a somewhat-extended grip safety, when using the then-mandated duty holster, that interfered with attaining a proper firing grip.)
I continued, however, to regularly bring a 4" GP100 to work with me as a "back-up" weapon, to be deployed as deemed necessary, from a case or pouch kept in the patrol car, until a fairly short time ago. (I may renew my "qual" with either a Model 19 or GP100 soon, and start the habit again.) Several felons had the opportunity to look up the barrel of the GP100, while the duty auto remained holstered. There are times the flat-shooting .357 Magnum is nice to have, and I still shoot a DA revolvers just a bit better than any other handgun. (I have a hard time breaking 90 points on the "qual" with a Glock, but 95+ points is relatively common with a revolver, if I do not fumble a reload during the fast-paced, auto-oriented qual*.)
*I may ask if I can "game" the qual, with a Glock on my left hip, and the sixgun on the right hip. (I am a lefty with the Glock trigger system, but ambi with long-stroke DA.) This would not count for an official score, but we can shoot the qual course for training, if we buy the ammo. Not having to speed-load would nullify the autos' advantage. (Once mastered, the DA trigger can be worked FAST.) The special permission would be due to using two weapons, as normally, only one firearm, per officer, is allowed on the range at one time.
I think one admin officer on night shift, in the same division, still carries her L-frame. She will be retiring soon. Another night shift Central Patrol Division officer, who worked the front desk, carried his K-frame until retiring in November 2014. So, until a year ago, almost 10% of one patrol division's night shift officers, both street and desk, were still carrying revolvers on duty, but that will be cut in half within months, for a reduction of 50% within about a year. The two remaining officers have not stated their retirement plans, but might remain for several more years. The older of the two has almost 32 years of seniority, the other was hired in the early 1990s.
One HPD officer, working for another patrol division, was still carrying his 6" .44 Mag S&W sixgun on duty, quite recently, and may still be. The 6" tube indicates he has "grandfathered" it since 1987, when all duty revolvers were mandated to have 3" to 4" barrels.
I prefer to neither confirm nor deny that I work for HPD, for various reasons. I last carried revolvers in my uniformed duty holster in 1997, when I switched to 1911 pistols. (I reluctantly switched to .40 Glocks in 2002, when my skinny right hand no longer reliably depressed the grip safety sufficiently, even with a somewhat-extended grip safety, when using the then-mandated duty holster, that interfered with attaining a proper firing grip.)
I continued, however, to regularly bring a 4" GP100 to work with me as a "back-up" weapon, to be deployed as deemed necessary, from a case or pouch kept in the patrol car, until a fairly short time ago. (I may renew my "qual" with either a Model 19 or GP100 soon, and start the habit again.) Several felons had the opportunity to look up the barrel of the GP100, while the duty auto remained holstered. There are times the flat-shooting .357 Magnum is nice to have, and I still shoot a DA revolvers just a bit better than any other handgun. (I have a hard time breaking 90 points on the "qual" with a Glock, but 95+ points is relatively common with a revolver, if I do not fumble a reload during the fast-paced, auto-oriented qual*.)
*I may ask if I can "game" the qual, with a Glock on my left hip, and the sixgun on the right hip. (I am a lefty with the Glock trigger system, but ambi with long-stroke DA.) This would not count for an official score, but we can shoot the qual course for training, if we buy the ammo. Not having to speed-load would nullify the autos' advantage. (Once mastered, the DA trigger can be worked FAST.) The special permission would be due to using two weapons, as normally, only one firearm, per officer, is allowed on the range at one time.
Interesting, I met a retired HPD detective some years back who grandfathered a M29/4" for his career. Interestingly enough, I was carrying a 1911 in 38Super at the time.
gbran
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NY Police Commissioner Frank Reagan and his father (former PC) both carry .38spcl J-Frames.
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The old guy on, "Blue Bloods" was beaten at an ATM or something a few seasons ago and tried to draw a Walther like a PPK/S from an ankle holster and couldn't, due to a head injury leaving him weak.
But I think they just want real NYPD weapons here.
A Speer/CCI rep told me a few years ago that both NYPD and LAPD use their 135 grain Short Barrel load in both snubs and four-inch guns and the load has performed very well.
The old guy on, "Blue Bloods" was beaten at an ATM or something a few seasons ago and tried to draw a Walther like a PPK/S from an ankle holster and couldn't, due to a head injury leaving him weak.
But I think they just want real NYPD weapons here.
A Speer/CCI rep told me a few years ago that both NYPD and LAPD use their 135 grain Short Barrel load in both snubs and four-inch guns and the load has performed very well.
My BUG is a Smith & Wesson Model 49 Bodyguard. Manufactured in 1973. I purchased it from the original owner in 2001. He was a retired officer and it had served as his BUG for over twenty years until he retired. My primary is a department issued Glock 19. Many of us are still carrying five shot revolvers as back-up pieces.
Hondo 60
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JC111 - looks like my Model 38 - but mine's an airweight
I had wanted a Bodyguard since I first saw one being used in the very first episode of Miami Vice way back in September of 1984. When it came time for me to buy a BUG I considered a brand new Bodyguard, but this old warhorse was priced right and I liked the idea of having it carry on with it's original duty. Plus I'm a sucker for older revolvers.
When it came time for me to buy a BUG I considered a brand new Bodyguard, but this old warhorse was priced right and I liked the idea of having it carry on with it's original duty. Plus I'm a sucker for older revolvers.
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