Serbu super shorty

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

This little shotgun only requires a 5.00 AOW tax stamp http://www.serbu.com/top/superShorty.php and goes for about 700.00 now what would the tax stamp cost to cut down my own shotgun. According to the site since the original shotgun was manufactured with a pistol grip it qualifies as an AOW does that mean I can buy a mossberg or remington pistol grip and cut it myself for the 5.00 stamp? any help is appreciated.

 

[Hold My Own]

I'm not sure if cutting down a shotgun is legal during any time, but I'm not that knowledgeable with shotguns. Rifles are more my thing. I'd probably just get the Serbu if you can afford it.

 

[panoz77]

The price of the sebru is so high because they are a licensed manufactuer and they can charge that, the $5 is only to transfer it. As an unlicensed manufacturer it would cost you $205 to cut one down yourself plus the cost of the weapon and mods. So you might be able to do your own for around $500 plus the hassle and time of the paperwork and stamps.

 

[zoom6zoom]

$200, actually. He'd have to pay the tax (before making any mods),but not a $5 transfer fee.

 

[Aran]

I'm not sure if cutting down a shotgun is legal during any time, but I'm not that knowledgeable with shotguns. Rifles are more my thing. I'd probably just get the Serbu if you can afford it.

Sure it is, if you get the $200 tax stamp from BATFE to make a Short Barreled Shotgun.

But there's a lot more to it than just chopping it up.

 

[panoz77]

Yep, your right $5 discount on my post.

 

[WardenWolf]

The way Serbu does it is, they order the firearm with pistol grip and without a stock (and likely without a barrel, as well) direct from the manufacturer. This way it can legally be considered a pistol, NOT a long gun (by ATF's rules, once it's been stocked it's always a long gun). Since it's smoothbore, it's an AOW, but they dodge a lot of the procedures for shortening an existing shotgun and pistol gripping it because it never had a stock in the first place.

 

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

Is a short barreled shotgun something I could legally carry on my boat while offshore or carry in my car or is there special rules for transport of short barrel shotguns.

 

[oneounceload]

A SBS is different from an AOW. If you buy a Mossberg or Remington that has NEVER had a shoulder stock on it (i.e., the Mossberg cruiser), then it can be modified for the $5 AOW stamp. If you're using a gun that has had a shoulder stock, then you go the $200 SBS route

 

[macadore]

Is it legal to replace the stock on a shotgun with a pistol grip? If so, how long must the overall length be before it becomes a short barreled shotgun?

 

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

I had a 20 gauge snake charmer single shot with an 18" barrel and 26 1/2" overall length I believe 26 is the shortest it can be.

 

[Girodin]

The Serbu has never made much sense to me if owning a SBS is legal where one lives. Yes it is an AOW and thus a $5 tax but the thing costs $700 and more over is not a very useful weapon IMHO. I'd much rather have a SBS. You can buy a servicable pump gun for less than $200 but call it $200 for easy math. A gun smith might charge you $100 to cut the barrel and thread it for choke tubes. So with your $200 tax you are at roughly $500. There are ready made SBS guns out there for 300-400 so with tax you are close to $500. Thus the SBS is cheaper. It is also much more useful IMHO because you can have a stock on it.

 

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

Is what Oneounceload said correct that if it comes from the factory with a pistol grip you can cut it down for the 5$ tax stamp since it's considered an AOW.

 

[oneounceload]

Is it legal to replace the stock on a shotgun with a pistol grip? If so, how long must the overall length be before it becomes a short barreled shotgun?

Yes, as long as the OAL is 26" or greater - measured along a straight line of the barrel and NOT diagonally from muzzle to tip of pistol grip

 

[oneounceload]

While WIKI isn't the best reference, if you look at the actual regs cited, you'll find that to be true:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Any Other Weapons (AOWs) - this is a broad "catch-all" category used to regulate any number of firearms which the ATF deems deserving of registration and taxation. Examples include, among others:

* Smooth-bore pistols

* Pen guns and cane guns

* Short-barreled firearms with both rifled and smooth bores, etc.

* Disguised firearms

* Firearms that can be fired from within a wallet holster or a briefcase

* A short-barreled shotgun which came from the factory with a pistol grip is categorized as an AOW rather than a SBS, because the Gun Control Act describes a shotgun as “…designed or redesigned to be fired from the shoulder…”

* Handguns with a forward vertical grip. It is therefore illegal to place an aftermarket foregrip on any pistol without first registering it as an AOW and paying the $200.00 "making tax" imposed by the Act.

 

[ishida]

And even making your own AOW, it is STILL a $200 tax, not $5. Because you are MAKING one, not transferring one.

 

[AcceptableUserName]

silly, stupid gun. based off the cheaper pump offerings of both companies (Maverick and Express), holds a whopping 3 rds, and costs about 700 bucks give or take.


a fool and his money are soon parted i guess. Why not pick up a Stoeger sxs used for 200-250 and pay for the SBS and have a better, cheaper, more practical gun?


Lupara>3 shot short pump


just sayin'

 

[oneounceload]

a fool and his money are soon parted i guess. Why not pick up a Stoeger sxs used for 200-250 and pay for the SBS and have a better, cheaper, more practical gun?

Not disagreeing there...

seems ironic that Canada, which has stricter gun laws, allows 14" barrels as legal.

 

[1redgmc]

Hello

Interesting thread.

I do not claim to know all the BATFE laws - but here is what I know because I too liked the idea of an SBS - did extensive research via the various forums (and through several knowledgable FFL/SOT holders) and built my own NFA item:

1. I have a Remington 870 that I won in a raffle about 10 years ago for $1
2. I bought a used 870 barrel (no rib) off of Gunbroker for $35
3. I obtained a BATFE Form 1 and completed it as per the included instructions
4. I had the receiver engraved as per BATFE specifications
5. I sent in a check for $200 with my Form 1, and I sent in a Revocable Living Trust (in lieu of fingerprints, passport photo and CLEO certification)
6. I am the "manufacturer" which is why you submit Form 1
7. Once my approved Form 1 was returned (it took 147 days to get it back) - I then cut my barrel and completed my "build", adding the Hogue Tamer package
8. I shoot low brass and performace is AWESOME, and recommend standard field loads - no magnum 00 or slugs (unless you like PAIN)

Here is a picture...

Barrel is 11.5" and has since been DuraCoat-ed

I kept the stock magazine tube configuration (4+1) and EVERYONE who shoots it has a huge smile when they are done emptying it.

It is easy if you do the research and follow the BATFE regulations.

I am fortunate, as my total investment is around $300 all inclusive. Deals can be had on older 870's and Mossbergs in the pawn shops - so shop around, do your homework, stay legal and have fun.

 

[cottonmouth]

Can a shoulder stock be put on a SBS?

J.B.

 

[PTK]

Can a shoulder stock be put on a SBS?

J.B.

Yes.

 

[AcceptableUserName]

1redgmc,


you have the right idea. any shorter than what you have and it defeats the purpose and I'd go with a sxs. Your gun is very nice and I'm going to do something similar with a 500or an 870, haven't really decided. Cut down to tube, the 870 is 4+1 and the 500 is 5+1, with different lengths accordingly. Both are as good as you can get in a short pump pgo.

 

[iiibdsiil]

Disclaimer: I love my Serbu.

There is more than just sawing it off if you are going Serbu length. It's like 18" overall with a 6.5" barrel. The guy above said the barrel on his is 11" or so and it looks like that's about as short as he could go. Granted, he has 4+1 instead of 2+1.

You could buy a regular 870, saw it down, pay the transfer, and be into it for $500 or so. For another $200 you can have a more compact setup that is well built. You could probably pick one up used for even cheaper.

As far as carrying it in the car, you are fine. On your person, you are fine (concealed). In FL at least. I don't follow any of the boating rules although my guess is it'd be the same as a car.

 

[1redgmc]

Yes indeed, you are 100% correct that there is much more to the Serbu mod than meets the eye, which is why I opted to mod my 870 like I did and keep the stock mag tube capacity.

To me, it is all a simple matter of your personal preference, and how much you want to spend.

The 870 I built fits rather nicely in more places than I ever imagined, but it was certainly not my intent to carry. The Serbu is much more compact.

I built mine for plain and simple home protection and it meets my needs perfectly.

It is simply an example of what you can do - legally - and not spend a lot of money. I can always put it back to stock configuration if I choose, but I had a lot of fun building it.

 

[HOME DEPOT GEORGE]

If I could get a good deal on an old remington mariner or something similar in non stainless and Duracoat it it would be a perfect boat gun since we are sometimes out for multiple days and quite far offshore. Maybe even make a mount for it next to the helm.