Service life on new S&W revolvers?

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Good afternoon. I have been thinking of purchasing either a Model 66 Combat Magnum or a Model 19 Classic. Both have a 4.25 inch barrel and both in .357 Mag. I was wondering how long either would last me assuming I shoot 75% .38 and 25% .357 in them. I'm hoping that they would last me the rest of my life (I have about 50+ more years on me) if I took care of them correctly.

Now, I heard that after enough magnum loads the forcing cone cracks and that other parts of the revolver begin to wear out. Is this true?
 
Well, if you fire twelve rounds, that would include three .357. How much do you expect to shoot it?
 
The forcing cone cracking is not overblown. I cracked mine on an early 1980's Model 19 at around 1500-2000 full power 158 grain rounds. I bought the gun new back in the day.

The current Model 66 has been redesigned to beef up the forcing cone area. It should now be a lot more durable. I assume the Classic Model 19 has the similar improvements.

Time will tell if the improvements have made a difference. All mechanical devices will wear out with use.
 
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Any revolver now made in .357 from a quality maker, Ruger, S&W, Colt if they get the kinks worked out on their new Python (other issues than forcing cone), Dan Wesson (CZ owned), and maybe Kimber (have no experience nor seen one other than online) should not be a problem unless you are trying to launch a bullet into orbit via hot loads. Want to do that, get a Contender or something like that.

Rugers have had forcing cones crack, S&W has, on the old Colt Python it could happen, and so on. but the usual cause is firing a bunch of hot loads that erode the forcing cone to the point of cracking it. If you see erosion happening, back off your loads. The old K-Frames were basically retrofitted into .357 capable revolvers and even Bill Jordan who spurred the development suggested using about 10% .357 and 90% .38 SPC as a result. Nowadays, the new version was designed more or less for .357 aside from recoil and we have better steel alloys now. Follow S&W recommendations and you should be fine.

Generally speaking the heavier the barrel and using prudence on reloading/factory ammo, can see you through the worst of it. If overly worried about the new K-frame S&W, move up to the L-Frame but it will be heavier.
 
I have talked to several serious Bullseye shooters who also shot revolvers. One, his customized K frame S&W, his 38 Special barrel was still shooting two inch groups at 50 yards with 600,000 rounds through it. The loads he used were 148 LSWC with 2.7 grains Bullseye. This guy had won multiple PPC championships with this K frame S&W. The other shooter had around 250,000 rounds through his S&W K frame revolver. Both said extractor stars wore at some point, their revolvers lost their timing, and they had to send their pistols back to S&W. I think cylinder hands also wore. One guy had a S&W hammer mounted firing pin break. I assume they replaced springs along the way. I was told that Colt revolvers were very rare in PPC as they got out of tune much earlier than the S&W. It had to do with the timing of the lockup. Colts locked up during hammer fall, S&W’s locked up before hammer fall. Colts were much more sensitive to wear in the cylinder hand and extractor star. The PPC champ said that rebarreling a S&W with a Colt barrel was fairly common as the Colt barrels were tighter and shot more accurately. He called the conversions “Smoults”.

The PPC champ had shot a competition where "major" loads were required and had cracked the forcing cone of a K frame barrel. I never asked, but I expect he was shooting easily a 1000 rounds a week in practice, probably more. He is so good he still gets free ammunition.

Barrels are going to wear out with jacketed bullets. I have no idea of the fatigue life of a barrel, they are a pressure vessel, I expect at some point they will rupture. A low pressure cartridge such as a 45 ACP I expect the barrel will never fatigue rupture before the rifling is worn smooth. Same for a 357 Magnum barrel fired with 38 Special loads. However, I am aware of a shooter who had a vintage 30-06 barrel rebored to 35 Whelen. The rifle barrel had gone through its normal service life, was old steel, and yet the barrel was enlarged internally, loosing about 3 ounces going from 30 cal to 35 cal, making it weaker. The shooter fired one factory 35 Whelen round and the barrel burst. The owner is mad at the barrel maker and posted this on social media. The barrel maker blames the owner and ammunition, the owner blames the barrel maker. My advice: never rebore a barrel that has been shot out. Unless you like loosing fingers, eyeballs, and maybe want a hole in the head.


I asked the AMU shooters shooting Bullseye pistol, with their 185 JHP they shot out a 45 ACP barrel in about 3 years. They were shooting around 7500 rounds of 45 ACP per month, and, probably the same 22 lr, 9mm and rifle ammunition. The amount of ammo these guys shoot is beyond comprehension. The service teams also have full time Armorer's because things break.
 
Oh, one last thing, heavy magnum loads via recoil damage over time also cause a revolver to go out of time--that means that the cylinder and the barrel are no longer aligned. This causes uneven wear on the forcing cone which can also cause cracking as well as erosion. Just like a rifle's throat, hot loads beyond specs causes excessive wear and tear by heat, friction, and pressure.

That being said, it is easy to check your revolvers with a range rod for timing and visual inspection for forcing cones on a periodic basis. It doesn't just "happen" if you don't have a defective revolver from the get go (bored wrong, out of time, alloy defects, etc.)
 
I could only wish for enough ammo to actually wear out any gun. I'm sure that even with above average round counts that any of the current K frames will last the rest of your 50 years.
 
If you shoot enough to wear it out you will have spent many MANY times the value of the gun in ammunition.

My goal is to wear out all my firearms rather than passing them down but I am finding it hard to afford...
 
I thought the exact same thing!
Shoot your guns sensibly, care for them with frequent cleaning. And wear them out which is the goal.
 
I doubt that you will live long enough to wear out a new 66 or 19 S&W. They use the new barrel with a sleeve over it much the same as the Dan Wesson pioneered years ago. S&W offers a lifetime guarantee so, there should be no concern to owners of the new guns. The forcing cone on the old K-frame .357 guns had a flat cut across the bottom of it to allow for the yoke (crane) to clear. This was the weak point of the design. Of the thousands of these guns produced only a small percentage of them suffered the dreaded crack. Most all of the original production .357 K-frames are still in use and are fine.
 
Good afternoon. I have been thinking of purchasing either a Model 66 Combat Magnum or a Model 19 Classic. Both have a 4.25 inch barrel and both in .357 Mag. I was wondering how long either would last me assuming I shoot 75% .38 and 25% .357 in them. I'm hoping that they would last me the rest of my life (I have about 50+ more years on me) if I took care of them correctly.

Now, I heard that after enough magnum loads the forcing cone cracks and that other parts of the revolver begin to wear out. Is this true?

S&W has addressed the forcing cone issue in the latest revision of the 66. Or rather, they claim they have. Time will tell.
 
Revolvers aren’t that expensive in the grand scheme of things, especially in the context of 50+ years. I predict if you enjoy shooting enough to have serious questions about effective lifespan, you will also find inevitably that the grass is greener on the other side, and will want to try a different barrel length, caliber, model, make, action type, etc. If it’s hard to wear out one revolver, it’s nigh impossible to wear out half a dozen.

The numbers I’ve seen suggest that average revolvers have a service life of around 30,000 rounds. (Which would be a box a month for 50 years.) On the other hand, that number is probably meaningless in the real world. Some guys get hundreds of thousands of rounds with lighter loads and good maintenance. Others shoot a gun into worn out scrap within a few thousand rounds by packing just as much powder into their loads as they think they can get away with without blowing the gun up.

In short -nobody can say for sure. But if you take care of your gun it’s probably a moot point and will likely outlast you and your grandkids too.
 
I have a new 686 that I got about 5 years ago. I have put over 4k magnums though it. Most of them 125 gr JHP with 10.0 grains of Power Pistol. I haven't even cleaned the gun yet and don't intend to until it starts giving me trouble. If it breaks or wears out, I will repair or replace. The gun is the cheap part if you are a volume shooter.

I have another brand of .357 that I have had 30 years. I have put well over 30k through it. Ten years or so ago, the barrel started coming unscrewed. I took it to a gunsmith and thought it may be time to set the barrel back. He did his measuring and declared to the gun to be in spec and said it showed very little wear on th forcing cone. He took the barrel off and put it back on with red Loctite. I went right back to feeding it magnums and have had no more trouble.
 
All of the new ones will last just fine. Until that butt-ugly lock latches up on you.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
 
Maybe in the case of a Ruger, Smith & Wesson? Not so much...
Hope your model 29 goes well, I had bad luck with a 629 (made around 2007). Hopefully they've toughened up some. I'm hard on everything from blue jeans to watches, not abusive really but items are well used. My 629 shook loose twice in 3000? Rds. I know others have high round counts no problem. Every gun is an individual, some made better than others.
 
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