setting up pistol dies

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i started out loading some 300 win mag and now i'm moving onto some handgun ammo. I am going to be loading 115 gr. round nose fmj in 9mm with W231 on a Lee turret press. I just got my (4) Lee carbide dies yesterday in the mail. I am assuming that you set these dies up the same as rifle dies? i have the set up instructions that came with the dies, but, figured like anything else they were just 'basic'. Any advice or suggestions to save me from letting the obscenities :cuss:fly would be greatly appreciated.....Thanks, hvychev77
 
Simpler, but little transferable knowledge

Thanks for asking our advice.

Straight-walled cartridges are simpler than belted bottlenecked cartridges by far. But you will find little about your experience with rifle cartridge die setup that will help you set up your pistol dies. They are as different as night and day. Well, maybe as different as late morning and early afternoon, anyway.

But the pistol dies are simpler because you don't have to simultaneously adjust a bottleneck's shoulder and sizing. Each die pretty much has one and only one job to do.

Set the sizing die so you size the entire length of the cartridge (but don't let the shell holder hit the carbide ring, as that metal is brittle and you don't want to break it). Use a feeler gauge or a piece of paper as a spacer to set the clearance.

Set the case-mouth belling die to you don't bell the case mouth any more than the minimum necessary to start a bullet into the case. The powder drop will take care of itself if you are using the Auto-Disk powder measure.

Set the bullet seating die so the like the sizing die was set, but without the seating stem in place, then screw the seating stem down until the bullet is inserted in the case to the right depth.

Set the crimp die to provide the amount of crimp you need. A 9mm has no shoulder or belt, so it has to headspace on the case mouth, so you have to leave the case mouth a few thousands larger diameter than the bullet as a shoulder to keep the cartridge from entering too far into the chamber. (Glad you got the 4-die set, so seating and crimping are not done at the same time; that gets difficult to describe.)

Of course, headspacing on the case mouth means that the case length is critical. Fortunately, unlike bottlenecked cartridges, pistol cartridges rarely lengthen after many uses. You will probably lose them before they wear out.

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awesome reply and thanks for it. i knew some of it would be familiar and some wouldn't. i watched some videos on youtube and had an idea of what to do. thanks for the great info....
 
Sizing die:
Put in the shellholder. Raise the ram. Screw the die all the way down. Lock it.

Flaring die:
Put a shell in. Raise the ram. Screw the die down until you can't go any farther. Screw in the lock ring, hand tight. Back the ram out. Screw the die down another turn or two at a time, flare, check the size against the bullet you're using. Repeat until satisfied. Lock it down.

Seating die:
Put in an empty flared case. Screw the body down until it touches the case. Screw down the lock ring. Put in the bullet and adjust the seating die until satisfied. If you want to crimp with the seater: back out the seater. Screw the body down until you get the desired crimp. Screw the seater back in until it's snug against the finished round.

FCD die:
Same as setting the seating die crimp.
 
Thanks for posting this and answering guys. I was going to post about this but Im glad I took a look first! Helps me out a lot since I have the 3-Die carbide set...
 
i went ahead with the 4 die set, reason being, from what i read it's harder to seat and crimp bullet at the same time with the 3 die set. i'm a newbie so, i didn't want to overcomplicate it for me, i mean, it's only one more pull on the handle and it's done so, i didn't see the big deal. lots of good info. on here, lots of knowledgeable folks, thanks again guys!!
 
Any partricular reason for the W-231 selection? thats a rather fast burning powder and would make an accidental over charge far more destructive than something slower burning, such as HS6 or Longshot which won't let a double slip by unnoticed.
 
a friend recommended it to me, and i'm using the auto disc system on my press. i heard it meters well, or better than others and burns cleaner. how does the hs6 and longshot do as far as metering and cleanliness?
 
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