Desertdog
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That is what I want to happen.
Shameless LP plug
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cropcirclewalker
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Twoblink, yer OK.
I'm just an old guy, VN vet, tired, child of the 60's.
I was a school kid in the midwest when we got under our desks and put our arms over our heads to protect ourselves from the nuclear attack of those Godless commies.
I used to religiously watch "Victory at Sea" every week. dit dit dit dah. (for you govt. public school types, that's morse code for "V", get it? Victory)
I watched those guys with their ack ack guns shooting down the Kamikazis. I had an uncle that survived the sinking of the USS Helana. I used to lay in bed at night and listen to him tell my father "sea stories". I was propagandized to the extreme. I signed up in the Navy to go kill commies.
This is not rant. This is deep background.
I turned out to be an incurable idealist. I read the founders. I love my constitution, but our govt. is on it's way to Hell in a handbasket. We have been screwed.
Want to know why I will vote Libertarian? simple, Read the constitution. The constitution tells the govt. what it may do and how it may do it.
Read the BoR. A negative document. It tells the govt. what it may NOT do. So, OK, we don't have soldiers quartered in our homes. The rest of the BoR has been cast asunder. We are all screwed.
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Like I said, I am old. I am tired. They can tie me to a post, put a blindfold on me and stick a cigarette in my mouth (I could go fer a smoke) and fire away, but I will not forsake my constitution.
I don't care if Bush gets elected and then signs the "new improved" AWB or if Kerry gets elected and simply renews the old one. We are screwed. I will not be a part of their validation.
As an old sailor, I am prepared to go down with the ship.
Like Popeye (an old sailor too) said, "I've took all I can stands, and I can't stands no more!"
I am voting my principles, I am voting Libertarian.
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I'm just an old guy, VN vet, tired, child of the 60's.
I was a school kid in the midwest when we got under our desks and put our arms over our heads to protect ourselves from the nuclear attack of those Godless commies.
I used to religiously watch "Victory at Sea" every week. dit dit dit dah. (for you govt. public school types, that's morse code for "V", get it? Victory)
I watched those guys with their ack ack guns shooting down the Kamikazis. I had an uncle that survived the sinking of the USS Helana. I used to lay in bed at night and listen to him tell my father "sea stories". I was propagandized to the extreme. I signed up in the Navy to go kill commies.
This is not rant. This is deep background.
I turned out to be an incurable idealist. I read the founders. I love my constitution, but our govt. is on it's way to Hell in a handbasket. We have been screwed.
Want to know why I will vote Libertarian? simple, Read the constitution. The constitution tells the govt. what it may do and how it may do it.
Read the BoR. A negative document. It tells the govt. what it may NOT do. So, OK, we don't have soldiers quartered in our homes. The rest of the BoR has been cast asunder. We are all screwed.
[rant]
Like I said, I am old. I am tired. They can tie me to a post, put a blindfold on me and stick a cigarette in my mouth (I could go fer a smoke) and fire away, but I will not forsake my constitution.
I don't care if Bush gets elected and then signs the "new improved" AWB or if Kerry gets elected and simply renews the old one. We are screwed. I will not be a part of their validation.
As an old sailor, I am prepared to go down with the ship.
Like Popeye (an old sailor too) said, "I've took all I can stands, and I can't stands no more!"
I am voting my principles, I am voting Libertarian.
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twoblink
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Here's the deal..
I'm basically a reject from both parties anyways..
I OWN a copy of the Federalist papers, and I've read them several times. I personally feel the Jefferson Memorial should be bigger than Lincoln's.
I believe in no taxes and everything be a service fee.
I VOTE MY MORALS AND PRICIPLES.
I figured that's what America was all about... And that America is a stark contrast to the one they teach you in the public war camps, err.. I mean public schools.
I never paid much attention in school, unlike the other kids, who knew it would turn out to benefit me so much?
I'm thinking I should move to New Hampshire and become the new Sheriff....
I'm basically a reject from both parties anyways..
I OWN a copy of the Federalist papers, and I've read them several times. I personally feel the Jefferson Memorial should be bigger than Lincoln's.
I believe in no taxes and everything be a service fee.
I VOTE MY MORALS AND PRICIPLES.
I figured that's what America was all about... And that America is a stark contrast to the one they teach you in the public war camps, err.. I mean public schools.
I never paid much attention in school, unlike the other kids, who knew it would turn out to benefit me so much?
I'm thinking I should move to New Hampshire and become the new Sheriff....
Bartholomew Roberts
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The problem being that in the over 30 years of the LPs existence, the highest percentage of the vote it has won in a Presidential election is 1.1% in 1980.
If you added up the percentage of the vote the LP has won in every single Presidential election since 1972, you still would be barely halfway to 6%.
To reach 6% in THIS election, every single one of the 384,431 people who voted LP in 2000 must convince 14 separate, unique people to vote LP in this election.
I think you are doing the right thing voting LP in California and I agree with your assessment of the political situation there; but the LP is not going to gain any influence in politics from outside without playing the spoiler in an election - and even then they have to get enough influence to match the Greens or both parties will simply note that there are more votes to the left than there are to the right and move that way (just like they did in 2000).
twoblink
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Bart,
I hear ya. But if all the Republicans stopped wasting their votes in the PRK, then you might have a chance.
PEOPLE, VOTE YOUR PRINCIPLES..
Also, if you voted Libertarian, what's the worst that can happen? The PRK gives it's college votes to the Dem's? That's going to happen anyways. But voting Republican doesn't send out a message, getting 5% Libertarian votes in that state DOES.
I hear ya. But if all the Republicans stopped wasting their votes in the PRK, then you might have a chance.
PEOPLE, VOTE YOUR PRINCIPLES..
Also, if you voted Libertarian, what's the worst that can happen? The PRK gives it's college votes to the Dem's? That's going to happen anyways. But voting Republican doesn't send out a message, getting 5% Libertarian votes in that state DOES.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Unfortunately not all Republicans agree with most Republican platform points, let alone the LP platform. I consider my self a libertarian; but I disagree with their foreign policy platform, the gold standard stuff, and several other planks. I could still vote for LP as a candidate; but they have several planks I don't want to see happen.
The main point being that LP is not a straight across subsitute for Republican. At least a good portion of the people in the Republican party share more in common with the Democrats than the LP, it is one of the reasons the Republican party isn't more libertarian minded than it is.
5% LP votes in California doesn't change anything because the Democrat lead over the Republicans is much more than 5% of the vote. The Republicans won't be any closer to winning that state by adopting LP ideals and the Dems won't be any closer to losing by ignoring them. The Greens, for example, had ten times the votes of the LP in California in 2000. So every California LP voter from 2000 has to convince at least 10 others to switch just to reach parity with the Greens.
Now if you can convince every single one of the 4.5 million Republicans in the state to vote LP in this election, you'll at least get the 5% federal funding level and I bet the Republicans would sit up and take notice; but I think you would agree that is probably not going to happen.
fix
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Still confused about why the Libertarian Party is the only choice for single issue gun voters.
rock jock
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Sorry, twoblink, but when it comes to voting, my principles are not going to save lives or our RKBA. It will just gratify my own ego. I'm willing to swallow my pride for these things.
JohnBT
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"I made a collective statement..."
You certainly did:
"It seems that most of the people on this board are die hard, one track minded republicrats."
And I said you wouldn't win friends and influence people to your way of thinking by insulting most of the people on this board.
Most of the Libertarians I've met were too busy smoking dope to vote.
John
You certainly did:
"It seems that most of the people on this board are die hard, one track minded republicrats."
And I said you wouldn't win friends and influence people to your way of thinking by insulting most of the people on this board.
Most of the Libertarians I've met were too busy smoking dope to vote.
John
Frohickey
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LP baby!!!!
cropcirclewalker
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Right Arm!
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Outa State!
In areas where Bush doesn't stand a chance of winning (Period. End of story.), who should people vote for? Should they vote for Kerry, because he has a chance? In those cases, is any vote for anyone but Kerry, a vote for Kerry?
(Again with the tired and sorely mistaken "If you ain't wit' us, your agin' us!" arguement, though? Haven't we covered why this is inaccurate? Or are you going for the Truth Through Repitition technique?
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