Shipment of 100,000 AK-47s to Venezuela... U.S. is upset.

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Russian arms sale to Chavez irks U.S.
BY: Rowan Scarborough, The Washington Times
10/02/2005

The Bush administration has lodged a formal protest with Russia for agreeing to provide the government of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez more than 100,000 AK-47 rifles that U.S. officials believe could be used to aid left-wing uprisings in Latin America.

The administration in December sent a secret letter of protest (formally called a demarche) to the Russian Embassy in Washington, according to senior U.S. officials. The officials say the warning was followed up by concerns expressed directly to the Russian defense and foreign ministers.

The protests come at a time when U.S. intelligence reports say that Mr. Chavez is working behind the scenes to prop up left-wing revolutionary movements in the region while retrenching from democratic principles at home.

Mr. Chavez is a vocal supporter of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro and other revolutionaries, and has encouraged the Iraqi insurgency. U.S. intelligence estimates there are now 15,000 Cuban officials in Venezuela. Caracas claims they are there as part of cultural and professional exchanges, but U.S. officials say they are communist advisers.

Bernardo Alvarez, Venezuela's ambassador to the U.S., denied yesterday his country plans to ship weapons for rebel uprisings.

"This is outrageous," Mr. Alvarez said. "How do you think we can do that? Venezuela is a respectable country. We have never participated in arms traffic at all."

He said Venezuela is buying the rifles "because of defensive purposes for the country."

"We support a peaceful and democratic revolution," Mr. Alvarez said. "We cannot be encouraging any other situation that is not democratic and peaceful."

Washington, however, is wary of Mr. Chavez, who calls the United States an imperialistic power that has to be confronted.

A State Department official issued a statement to The Washington Times that said, "Venezuela's plans to purchase various types and large quantities of weapons are extremely troubling. And we believe that Venezuela should consult with its neighbors on such armament acquisitions. The purchase has raised questions as to their ultimate purposes. Our concern about these weapons purchases are heightened by Venezuela's tolerance for groups such as FARC [Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia] and ELN [National Liberation Army] and others." The FARC and ELN are terrorists groups in neighboring Colombia.

Another U.S. fear on the AK-47 sale is that the weapons they replace within the military will be exported to left-wing rebel movements.

The State Department official declined to say whether the Bush administration had sent Russia a formal protest.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice singled out Venezuela for criticism at her Jan. 18 Senate confirmation hearing. "We have a long and good history with Venezuela, long ties," she said. "I think it's extremely unfortunate that the Chavez government has not been constructive. And we do have to be vigilant and to demonstrate that we know the difficulties that that government is causing for its neighbors, its close association with Fidel Castro in Cuba."

U.S. officials said intelligence reports show that Mr. Chavez's government secretly funneled money to Nicaragua last year to aid mayoral candidates of the Marxist Sandinistas, led by former President Daniel Ortega.

At home, Mr. Chavez is planning to start forming militias outside the professional armed forces, U.S. officials say.

The sources say they fear the Russian-provided AK-47s will be used to arm what may become little more than street gangs assigned the task of enforcing loyalty to Mr. Chavez.

"He's consolidating a dictatorship," said a senior U.S. official. "It's a Cuban-style dictatorship. He's arming loyalists and setting them lose to intimidate people at the city block level."

Mr. Alvarez, the Venezuelan ambassador, said what Washington officials are calling militias are actually new army reserve units.

"It will be under the control of the military," he said.

The new units are not Washington's only worry. Mr. Chavez's rhetoric is increasingly anti-U.S. and pro-revolution. He has further nationalized Venezuela's oil industry and restricted press freedom.

Mr. Chavez is also planning to build an ammunition factory. Again, the U.S. fear is that the ammunition will find its way to leftist revolutionaries.

The arms deal with Russia does not call only for AK-47s. Russia will also supply MiG-29 fighters and attack helicopters. Additionally, U.S. intelligence believes the AK-47 buy may eventually reach 300,000 rifles.

Beyond diplomacy, however, there are not many options for Washington. Mr. Chavez is democratically elected. And his country's huge oil reserves make it the No. 4 provider to the United States.

"Chavez has shut off a lot of our options. We're very susceptible to a shut off of oil by Chavez," the U.S. official said.

Mr. Chavez has talked of establishing an Al Jazeera-style news network in Venezuela that would reach all of Latin American. Some Pentagon officials considers the Qatar-based Arab-language channel a propaganda arm of al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden.

But Mr. Chavez appeared on Al Jazeera in December and called the station "a symbol of courage, principles and dignity." He added, according to the British Broadcasting Corp.: "It always tells the truth." He expressed support for the Iraqi insurgents attacking American forces.

Mr. Chavez was elected in 1998 on a theme of a "Bolivarian Revolution" - a message of Marxism and populism aimed at the poor. He survived a coup in 2002 and beat back a recall election last August with 57 percent of the vote.

Mr. Chavez traveled to Tripoli, Libya, last November to receive a humanitarian award from Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi, who has renounced terrorism and given up his weapons of mass destruction.

"Latin America has started witnessing greater interest and involvement in popular and revolutionary movements," Mr. Chavez said, according to the Associated Press.

Among the dignitaries in the audience was Sandinista leader Mr. Ortega, the former Nicaraguan president who seeks to rule Nicaragua again.
 
I'm upset too. Those rifles should be for sale here in the USA, save for some stupid legislation and Poppy's excreable Executive Order. :evil:
 
Drop the import ban and we might be able to outbid the Venezuelan bid. We should get a S&H discount. :evil:

Kharn
 
Where's Ollie North when you need him? :p What are they gonna fed them AK's? Does Venezuela have ammo factories?
 
Not yet,

But the article states that they will be building some. I have a friend who does business down there. He says it's getting really scary.

Remember a few months ago when Venezuela revoked all the pistol licenses?

Disarm populace, arm loyalist goon squads with AK47's... anyone else see the pattern? He's going for a complete communist revolution. There will be civil war in Venezuela in one form or other in the near future.
 
Russia will also supply MiG-29 fighters and attack helicopters.

It's nice that he's also spending money on something for the Air Force to play with if it ever comes to intervention time. :rolleyes:

These tinpot guys have to realize someday that, of all the military options we have, enforcing a total "no-fly" zone over, say, the entire Western Hemisphere is the easiest to pull off tomorrow.

He would have been better off buying more rifles. :D
 
Sounds like things are getting bad down there indeed. Dang, wanted to visit latin america sometime soon too... :(
 
Venezuela situation is looking ominous. I think it is time to send the CIA and Special Forces guys down there and stir up a revolution. Only problem is that Chavez is apparently popular, winning 57% of the votes in a recall election.

However, when his AK47 armed militias (murder squads) start commanding and terrorizing every neighborhood, that popularity might wane.
 
I think it is time to send the CIA and Special Forces guys down there and stir up a revolution.

Seems like a well placed .308 round could ruin someone's revolution. Maybe exploding cigars are a better idea. :rolleyes:
 
nwmanitou, where did you get the part about "disarming the population"? I don't see that in the story at all.

I wonder if the .gov was as pissed if he bought 100K of ARs.
 
Venezuela situation is looking ominous. I think it is time to send the CIA and Special Forces guys down there and stir up a revolution. Only problem is that Chavez is apparently popular, winning 57% of the votes in a recall election.

Yea, and Jimmy Carter said it was a fair election as well despite any contradictory evidence.

The Russian jets and copters wouldn't be a serious threat if we were forced to intervene. Russia isn't going to sell them planes with any advanced electronics and without them, they'll have trouble being anything but targets for our airforce.

They would be very powerful in use against repressing their civilain population, which is a serious concern.

People like to suggest that we went to war in Iraq over oil. Well we get a LOT more oil from Venezuela than we did from Iraq.

It was a pretty ridiculas suggestion in my mind that we invaded Iraq over Oil.

Invading Venezuela over oil might actually make some economic sense.

I really hope a peaceful solution can be reached, but it sure doesn't appear to be headed in that direction.

A trade embargo on Venezuela would likely be the result of the government going openly communist, and that would be a serious hit to our recovering economy.

If he's going to make a move, he'll do it while we're still tied up in Iraq, or after Bush is out of office. He'll do it when he believes we either don't have the resources, or we don't have the will to effectively interfere.
 
It was a pretty ridiculas suggestion in my mind that we invaded Iraq over Oil.
I believe the specific allegation was that Iraq was invaded over control of the oil, not the oil itself, and in particular the currency for which the oil was sold (Iraq and Venezuela share a common trait of having declared that they were trading oil for euros instead of dollars; see the associated economic forecasts for the US economy should OPEC make the same switch).
 
It is my understanding that we in the U.S. enjoy our current standard of living largely due to international oil trade in dollars (petrodollars). If oil producing countries begin accepting the euro instead of dollars, we will suffer. That is sufficient reason for military action IMO, until we can develop Anwar and other oil rich sites.
 
Fox had an article the other day with the quote about this:

One U.S. State Department official noted, "We shoot down MiGs."

Maybe Condoleezza Rice is getting them back to playing for our side already...
 
White Horseraddish

There was a news report a few months ago about the Venezuelan government revoking pistol licenses.

Chavez is bad news. He's already basically decreed that no one has property rights, encouraging droves of squatters to start building and farming private property belonging to some large ranches and corporations. Just the other week he was at a Socialist Convention in Brazil(i think) where he said that Communism didn't die with the USSR and that there would be an agrarian revolution in Venezuela.

Venezuela will be/is a hotbed for terrorists, guerrillas, and organized crime. Chavez has already announced his open animosity towards the US. That "Friend" of mine who is down there tells me some really scary stuff he's seen, things I can't really repeat, but have definetly kept my attention on what's happening politically.
 
Venezuela had some hottie mail-order-brides offered too!

Now what am I gonna do?
Arrange to meet them in Santiago. Chile is a nice, PEACEFUL South American country. While they don't think we should have invaded Iraq, in general they are not anti-American.
 
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