Shirt tucked in?

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I've been able to carry for the past decade with an untucked shirt covering my handgun. It has worked well, I carried a pistol that most people consider too large for CCW without any real problems.

I've recently started a new job with a new wardrobe - I wear button up shirts that are :what: tucked in. It is casual enough that I don't wear a tie or jacket. I'm not really interested in anything pocket carry.

Who has experience carrying in business clothes? What sort of holsters work best for IWB with a tucked in shirt?


Good news is that this seems like a great excuse to buy a new pistol :D
 
I use "tuckables" pretty much exclusively for IWB, but have yet to find one that actually works very well with a tucked dress shirt. Most of them are okay for a few minutes, but with a bit of movement, one thing or another will go wrong. For my money, even the very best of the tuckables still really want some kind of "top" garment. I use a sport coat for "dressier" occasions and a fishing shirt or Hawaiian shirt otherwise.
 
I don't wear business clothes but can't stand to wear a shirt that is not tucked in. Milt Sparks Criterion's work the best for me. I have two of them.

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Sounds to me like you need a new pistol.

I've never been the sort to tuck (nor have I been in a situation that forced me to). What does tucking do to a fellow's draw time?
 
Sounds to me like you need a new pistol.

I've never been the sort to tuck (nor have I been in a situation that forced me to). What does tucking do to a fellow's draw time?

I expect it slows down a lot. The reality is that I won’t win a quick draw competition with a CCW compared to an active threat. Carrying allows me to return fire instead of just retreating.
 
It depends on the level of observation you’ll be subject to. Ultimately, someone observant enough is likely to notice eventually. How often will you be interacting with others in a forward facing capacity vs. ‘tucked in’ to a desk?

you could switch the clips on an IWB to the type that Velcro to the inside of a belt you’ve added hook and loop to, or try one of the low profile clips.

carrying AIWB with Velcro belt attachment or discreet clips near a centered buckle may not be the most comfortable without trial and error, but could end up one of your better options.

the milt sparks the gentleman above posted is a fantastic setup, AND unfortunately wouldn’t pass the scrutiny test from anyone with a curiosity due to the owb leather loops. That said, I’ve carried similarly. Someone’s going to wonder what’s up with you belt having extra leather loops at some point. Whether they care enough to let that distract the ‘monkey-mind’ portion of their brain long enough away from the hundreds of other things it’s pre-occupied with, is another matter.

What are the potential consequences of ‘being made’ for you in this situation?

At the end of the day, it’s a compromise one way or another. I recently had to carry in a suit where I knew there was a 90% chance I would be jacketless at some point, thus losing a garment to cover the attachment points of a tuckable holster. I was around literally hundreds of people whom I would be having interactions with about 30% of and sure enough, several of the conversations were around dress. (“Hey you look sharp, man, I love that tie.” “Hey, nice shoes. Oh wow, your belt looks sharp with them too” ). This is likely to happen even if there’s not a verbal remark. Someone sees your watch band and subconsciously looks to see if your belt matches it, etc. especially in a button down environment.

Sure enough, I ended up giving my jacket to my spouse warm her as venue became chilly for her. My duty as her man isn’t just to protect her physically, after all. So my plan ahead worked well. In this case I was carrying in a ‘sticky’ holster with reinforced trigger guard, in my groin area, that was adhered via hook and loop to my undies with a thick, tight elastic band. I could jump up and and run, without losing retention. Then my outside belt with tucked dress shirt added additional retention along point the rear of the slide meets the top of the grip. To draw, left hand pulls tucked shirt up and right hand takes full grip, meets support hand at my naval. Practiced for a bit to brush up, as I do anytime I need to adapt my carry position/method. (I’m not going to assume my muscle memory has remained intact for any of the myriad ways I’ve carried over the years)

Maybe that’s helpful information, maybe not, YMMV. Ultra-deep concealment is all trade-pods, training, and risk mitigation. I’d highly recommend a manual safety or DA/SA w/decock, in 9mm with a short barrel non +p load, personally.

the phlster is highly praised and might be worth trying. Maybe someone here can chime in if they have tried one, personally I haven’t yet.

things that haven’t worked well for me, personally:

-ankle holsters (draw time, changed my gait, don’t work with my pants, personally. Wanted to like but didn’t turn out practical for me, personally)

-belly bands (my body emphatically does not like those). Especially not a fan of the ones with poor trigger guard protection. (I know, I know, I just talked about using a sticky holster in my groin. I tried 7 ways to Sunday (and failed) to trip the trigger in that holster and ended up feeling comfortable with the particular gun and holster)

-trigger guard only kydex. I know a lot of people use this and swear by it. I can’t wrap my head around it and don’t feel safe or like the gun has enough positive retention. Not for me personally, but an option. Again, someone may eventually wonder why you always have a lanyard into your pants around your belt or a belt loop when you come to work.

One last method I’ve used successfully is the carry undershirt, such as the one by 5.11. Haven’t used it in years. Years. All I remember was it being a pain to safely and consistently draw, especially in practice, as in use youre going to be ripping the buttons off your dress shirt in the process, more than likely. (I had some snap button dress shirts I bought specifically for this reason that allowed me to build some competency with the undershirt.)

Just my personal experiences, please don’t be offended if they don’t line up with yours, and as always I’m open to learning new methods and getting any tips others have.
 
Just my personal experiences, please don’t be offended if they don’t line up with yours, and as always I’m open to learning new methods and getting any tips others have.

Thanks. That’s the actual experience I’m asking for.

I’ve used a Crossbreed leather/kydex before and they make alternate clips that hide behind the belt. I’m considering that as an option.

I do think this is an opportunity to get a 9mm. I haven’t had one in the stable in a decade, it must be time.
 
For a dress shirt, look for a holster with longer loop/clip attachment - I prefer it to be attached at the bottom of the holster, thus allowing more garment to be fitted in there. And forget about slim fit shirts - one size bigger, regular fit should do the trick. I cannot give you any suggestions, as I live in Europe and we have different brands.

This is what I mean - it's not the best option, but it works fair enough with a full sized gun if you do your part:

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I have a drawer full of tuckable holsters for a variety of guns... some larger, some micro. I carried tucked for years. Even my boss was surprised when I told him so at a Christmas dinner (that conversation resulted in him hosting a conceal carry class in our offices).
Telling you the best holster is like telling you what underwear you should don. I use CrossBreed, High Noon, SofTuck (not the best... little retention), and several others. Hybrid or kydex seems better for tucked.

It's a piece of cake. Good luck.
 
There's also a bit of a wrestling match involved, too.

The "clearances" you are used to for tucking in your shirt vanish with that tuck-able holster.

What I find is that I want to tuck the shirt in before everything else. Which results in a bit of a juggling match getting the rest of the shirt sorted, and fastening trousers, and belt. Now, the good news is that the rest of the shirt will try and tuck halfway normally. And a person can refine things with a certain amount of "britches hitching."

Now, if you are a person with a reflex to a "strack" sort of shirt tuck, well, that's clean out the window, typically (and really inhibits draw even more, even if achieved).

This can create a lot of "why am I bothering with all this?" sorts of questions. Well, the primary answer being, "Well, are you willing to be unarmed instead?"

It can be that the answer is to go hit a suit shop for a vest as a cover garment. YMMV
 
Good post from @TriTone - and it mirrors most of my experience as well.

Understanding the level of scrutiny is important. I worked in a suit & tie office environment for a while and the expectation was that you would be taking your jacket off as soon as you got in and would only put it on for meetings (so you can’t count on the jacket for concealing the belt attachments).

A lot of people will say that they use tuckable holsters with visible belt loops and have never had someone mention it to them, but just because nobody has said anything doesn’t mean nobody has noticed. I watch for people concealing weapons and I regularly find people printing, but I’ve never gone up to them and mentioned it to them.

On a similar note, women can spot a fake designer handbag from 20 yards away. They will DEFINITELY notice those extra belt loops. They may not know exactly what it is or what their presence means, but they will know something is going on.

OP, I’m not sure what the consequences of being discovered carrying at work would be, but I suspect it would not be pleasant for you. I would strongly recommend avoiding anything that leaves a visible signature on your belt.



What I settled on was building my own holster - basically a kydex shell covered in Velcro and a belly band with a sewn Velcro pocket. The kydex gives good retention, protects the trigger, and keeps the holster open for reholstering, and the elastic of the belly band allows me to keep the holster completely separate from my outer layer of clothing so there is no signature. I also wear the belly band fairy low around my hips so that the gun is at the same position (or slightly lower) than it would be in a normal belt holster. I’ve found that conceals a lot better than wearing the belly band higher/above the waist. For reference, I’m usually carrying a Glock 19 or similar sized gun with this setup, so you don’t necessarily have to use a subcompact or smaller gun for this to work.

I have also heard good things about the Enigma and would recommend looking into one.
 
With your shirt tucked in, how do you draw? Jerk your shirt out/up to get to the gun? What about long tail shirt? I guess a shirt with no tails would be best.

What about cross draw belly band under a tucked shirt with velcro "buttons"?

I've always thought a shoulder holster was the best answer, but that would be open carry in too many places. Younger, less weight challenged folks probably are more able to wear a tucked shirt, but I still can't get past accessability
 
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This is the setup I use.

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Under the shirt is P226 and spare mag (appendix)

ETA:
I'm 5'8 and a fairly fit 135-140 lbs so take that into account. Appendix is not for everyone.
 
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With your shirt tucked in, how do you draw? Jerk your shirt out/up to get to the gun?
Yep, your draw should be the same regardless of if you have your shirt tucked in or not. I prefer to use both hands (especially with a tucked shirt) but grab the shirt at your belt line with one hand on each side of the gun and then pull upwards as far as you can, and then your dominant hand gets a firing grip on the gun and you continue the draw. That will get you past all but the absolute longest of shirts.

Grabbing your shirt on both sides of the gun means that your shirt is less likely to get caught on something (or more accurately, it is more likely that you will be able to still get your shirt out of the way even if it snags on something).

Sure, it’s a little bit slower than carrying with an untucked shirt, but I wouldn’t necessarily call it slow.

Remember, this isn’t a question of “I want to carry, is it easier to do it with a tucked or untucked shirt?” The OP has to have a tucked shirt regardless of if he carries a gun. This is just about finding a way for him to carry within the constraint of having a tucked shirt.
 
"this isn’t a question of “I want to carry, is it easier to do it with a tucked or untucked shirt?” The OP has to have a tucked shirt regardless of if he carries a gun. This is just about finding a way for him to carry within the constraint of having a tucked shirt."

I understand that, but this is the first tucked shirt thread I've seen. There's another iteration here; what if you wear suspenders? There are many with body shape that suspenders are a better option than a belt. In that case a tucked undershirt under the suspenders with IWB or OWB with over shirt. Do you button all the way down or leave the last button undone to facilitate shirt lift?
 
What if the OP is wearing a kilt with suspenders and his shirts are too short to be tucked in the said garment? What if the only suspenders he posses are pink, but the kilt is a Chattan clan tartan and his holster of choice is cordovan - will he still be able to draw his gun with confidence, giving the said circumstances? Questions, questions...
 
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I use a belly holster worn high with an EC9s or similar under my arm. It gives up some accessibility for the sake of concealability. You either have to open a button to reach in or leave a couple top buttons undone so you can reach in. You also have to wear some kind of undershirt, which I do anyway.
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What if the OP is wearing a kilt with suspenders and his shirts are too short to be tucked in the said garment? What if the only suspenders he posses are pink, but the kilt is a Chattan clan tartan and his holster of choice is cordovan - will he still be able to draw his gun with confidence, giving the said circumstances? Questions, questions...


That's quite a picture! :D I think the kilt and pink suspenders allows for a fanny-pack carry option, especially if it is cordovan. I expect that wearing a kilt leads to wearing one of those thigh holsters that the lady spy uses in movies to conceal under a slinky black dress.

Hmmm... What if Mizar was wearing a slinky black dress with combat boots and a service revolver, could he do anything with confidence? :rofl:

There is probably a rule against thread-jacking your own thread somewhere.
 
I understand that, but this is the first tucked shirt thread I've seen. There's another iteration here; what if you wear suspenders? There are many with body shape that suspenders are a better option than a belt. In that case a tucked undershirt under the suspenders with IWB or OWB with over shirt. Do you button all the way down or leave the last button undone to facilitate shirt lift?

This is the first thread I've seen about tucked-in shirts, too. I think there are a lot people in the THR community with different experiences, especially with CCW options.

As fo suspenders, do you wear them in addition to a belt? I think clip-on suspenders without a belt would be problematic with the weight of a pistol on the pants - maybe even in pocket carry. There is "pants falling down awkward" and then there's "pants falling down with a loaded pistol awkward!":what:
 
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