Shockwave, Tac-14, and short-barelled shotguns

[gralewaj]

Now a Tac14 with internals replaced with police 870 internals, a pistol brace, WML, single point sling and a SilencerCo Salvo would be the ticket.

What exactly do you think "Police internals" are compared to standard 870 parts? The only difference is the solid steel extractor on the breech bolt rather than a MIM extractor... An 870 is an 870... whether it's an AOW, Express, Police or Wing Master. Finish is the only real difference.

 

[BreechFace]

What exactly do you think "Police internals" are compared to standard 870 parts? The only difference is the solid steel extractor on the breech bolt rather than a MIM extractor... An 870 is an 870... whether it's an AOW, Express, Police or Wing Master. Finish is the only real difference.

https://www.apexgunparts.com/remington-870-trigger-assembly-complete-multiple-finish-options.html

Current 870's are polymer trigger assembly floor plates.


Milled extractor, marine magnum breech bolt, upgraded carrier latch spring (heavier spring for heavier loads), SS follower, hone the cylinder, etc.

 

[gralewaj]

https://www.apexgunparts.com/remington-870-trigger-assembly-complete-multiple-finish-options.html

Why are you posting a link for a trigger group? Why is the polymer trigger group considered inferior to the cast metal/aluminum group? No lubricant necessary in the polymer areas. Polymer trigger has shown durability on par with the cast metal piece if not more. A red (7-8lb) sear spring and the 11-87 carrier latch spring (as the carrier dog spring) are the reasons one needs to have a "Police" 870? Buy $15 worth of springs and an extractor and make your own!!!

There is no difference between any breech bolt remington makes unless is has the marine magnum zinc finish, and I'm not even sure that's an actual thing. A breech bolt is a breech bolt, (flex tab vs old style not withstanding) The P model gets a machined steel extractor, others get MIM.

SS follower? in the mag tube? from the factory? Last I saw it was orange plastic... the mag tube spring is 4"ish longer from the factory on Police models.

The parkerized finish on the Police models is by far more interesting a quality than the "internals" ie 2 springs.

Everyone can have 870 Police internals if you put two springs in your shotgun...

hone the cylinder... has nothing to do with the trigger group or internals. 870 barrels are 870 barrels, they parkerize and finish the Police barrels differently than the Express... duh.

 

[JemezDave]

Uh, I’ll take metal over plastic thanks. Like Breech said, there are positive differences. When your plastic trigger breaks you might remember what I said. And in 75 years the plastic garbage gun you gave your grandson won’t be worth much when the brittle plastic breaks and no replacements can be had. My 600 Remington had a plastic trigger guard. The two screws kept coming loose and wore deeper in the plastic. Eventually I machined a proper trigger guard out of metal and threw the warped plastic one in the trash and where it belonged.
But getting back on track after the thread got derailed. The new Mossberg 590s Shockwave is designed to feed mini shells, 2 3/4, or three inch shells in any combo. Not the same as the 590 shockwave where you need the adapter for the mini shells-in case you are shopping for one.

 

[dogtown tom]

My Remington TAC-14 Marine Magnum remains in stock condition, so, there is nothing to show. There is NO WAY that I would want to shoulder the brace of a Shockwave-ish

It occupies a small niche in our defense plan. It also fits into some legal niches, where a handgun would be legally problematic, but long guns are OK.

The Tac14 is NOT a "Long Gun" (rifle or shotgun) it transfers as an Other Firearm, specifically a "pistol grip firearm that expels a shotgun shell".

 

[mcb]

Why are you posting a link for a trigger group? Why is the polymer trigger group considered inferior to the cast metal/aluminum group? No lubricant necessary in the polymer areas. Polymer trigger has shown durability on par with the cast metal piece if not more. A red (7-8lb) sear spring and the 11-87 carrier latch spring (as the carrier dog spring) are the reasons one needs to have a "Police" 870? Buy $15 worth of springs and an extractor and make your own!!!

There is no difference between any breech bolt remington makes unless is has the marine magnum zinc finish, and I'm not even sure that's an actual thing. A breech bolt is a breech bolt, (flex tab vs old style not withstanding) The P model gets a machined steel extractor, others get MIM.

SS follower? in the mag tube? from the factory? Last I saw it was orange plastic... the mag tube spring is 4"ish longer from the factory on Police models.

The parkerized finish on the Police models is by far more interesting a quality than the "internals" ie 2 springs.

Everyone can have 870 Police internals if you put two springs in your shotgun...

hone the cylinder... has nothing to do with the trigger group or internals. 870 barrels are 870 barrels, they parkerize and finish the Police barrels differently than the Express... duh.

This is simply not true. The Police version and the Wingmaster share internals parts almost one for one. The differ primarily in the cosmetic scroll work or lack there of on the receivers and the furniture. The Express has significantly more MIM parts in the fire control group and the trigger housing is plastic rather than aluminum. The spring retention system in the magazine is also plastic instead of metal and thus uses dimples in the magazine tube making adding magazine extension a pain. Not to mention the quality of furniture and finish on the express is significantly worst than the Police or Wingmaster. Most see the Express as a down grade for a hard used shotgun, hence the down graded price. The Police is an "ugly" Wingmaster, the Express is the Walmart special version of the Wingmaster.

On a side note you could roll a $100 bill up and put it in the chamber of any of the new RemArms LLC 870's and I wouldn't give you $80 for it.

 

[dogtown tom]

Uh, I’ll take metal over plastic thanks. Like Breech said, there are positive differences. When your plastic trigger breaks you might remember what I said.

Yet more than a few 870 Police models came standard with plastic trigger assemblies. Think for a minute why that might be........times up. Durability. The "metal" 870 trigger guard assembly is aluminum, pressed aluminum at that. When impacted it breaks, the plastic trigger guard will flex and is more impact resistant. In other words BETTER.

And in 75 years the plastic garbage gun you gave your grandson won’t be worth much when the brittle plastic breaks and no replacements can be had.

And how do you know this?
1. Current plastic technology features materials that don't become embrittled.
2. In the future its far more likely that replacement parts will be plastic and likely readily available because of technologies that allow 3D printing. (of course the future is like ten years ago)
3. For every brittle Glock plastic garbage gun with a broken frame you show me.........I'll show you a thousand rusted metal frame guns.

My 600 Remington had a plastic trigger guard. The two screws kept coming loose and wore deeper in the plastic. Eventually I machined a proper trigger guard out of metal and threw the warped plastic one in the trash and where it belonged.

Yet tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands didn't have that issue.

But getting back on track after airhead derailed the thread

"airhead"? Stop it.

 

[Rexster]

The Tac14 is NOT a "Long Gun" (rifle or shotgun) it transfers as an Other Firearm, specifically a "pistol grip firearm that expels a shotgun shell".

In a legal environment where possessing a handgun will get one arrested for a felony, but a long gun is not prohibited, my Remington TAC-14 is very much a "long gun."

 

[JemezDave]

Yet more than a few 870 Police models came standard with plastic trigger assemblies. Think for a minute why that might be........times up. Durability. The "metal" 870 trigger guard assembly is aluminum, pressed aluminum at that. When impacted it breaks, the plastic trigger guard will flex and is more impact resistant. In other words BETTER.



And how do you know this?
1. Current plastic technology features materials that don't become embrittled.
2. In the future its far more likely that replacement parts will be plastic and likely readily available because of technologies that allow 3D printing. (of course the future is like ten years ago)
3. For every brittle Glock plastic garbage gun with a broken frame you show me.........I'll show you a thousand rusted metal frame guns.



Yet tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands didn't have that issue. yeah right



"airhead"? Stop it.

stick with your plastic plastic then buddy. Your right all the metal triggers have chronic

Yet more than a few 870 Police models came standard with plastic trigger assemblies. Think for a minute why that might be........times up. Durability. The "metal" 870 trigger guard assembly is aluminum, pressed aluminum at that. When impacted it breaks, the plastic trigger guard will flex and is more impact resistant. In other words BETTER.



And how do you know this?
1. Current plastic technology features materials that don't become embrittled. Right
2. In the future its far more likely that replacement parts will be plastic and likely readily available because of technologies that allow 3D printing. (of course the future is like ten years ago). That would look like crap-just like a Glock-ha!
3. For every brittle Glock plastic garbage gun with a broken frame you show me.........I'll show you a thousand rusted metal frame guns.
How old are you?



Yet tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands didn't have that issue. they didn’t sell that many.



"airhead"? Stop it.

. Then quit picking on people here and I won’t jump on your case I like this forum!

No a plastic trigger guard is not better. It’s done because it’s cheaper and in some cases lighter. They don’t make commercial aircraft wings out of plastic for a reason, but if you like plastic go for it. Heck maybe the car manufacturers should listen to you, since you know everything, and make car and truck rims out of plastic-duh! Metal handles heat, cold, fire, sun, way better- and it can be welded. Try powder coating your Glock and see how that comes out. Metal-It’s what I would carry in to battle. Maybe you should patent the first plastic riflescope and see how that goes over. Whatever dude I’ve wasted all the time on you I’m going to.

 

[dogtown tom]

stick with your plastic plastic then buddy. Your right all the metal triggers have chronic
. Then quit picking on people here and I won’t jump on your case I like this forum!

Huh? No one is picking on you. You called a fellow forum member an airhead....that ain't High Road. If you like this forum and wish to remain, you'll refrain.

No a plastic trigger guard is not better.

It's better for the reasons I described.

It’s done because it’s cheaper and in some cases lighter.

The weight savings isn't much. And while it may be cheaper to produce, the plastic 870 trigger is superior in function to the pressed aluminum.

They don’t make commercial aircraft wings out of plastic for a reason, but if you like plastic go for it. Heck maybe the car manufacturers should listen to you, since you know everything, and make car and truck rims out of plastic-duh!

You need to drive a car made in this century.

Metal handles heat, cold, fire, sun, way better- and it can be welded.

But it doesn't handle wet or impact as well. I've never seen a Glock frame that needed to be welded so theres that.

Try powder coating your Glock and see how that comes out.

Huh? I don't think you know anymore about powder coating plastics than you do gun parts.

Metal-It’s what I would carry in to battle.

Luckily you don't get to decide. Those that do chose a plastic pistol.

Maybe you should patent the first plastic riflescope and see how that goes over.

What does that have to do with anything?

Whatever dude I’ve wasted all the time on you I’m going to.

Merry Christmas!

 

[Walkalong]

We don't do personal attacks or arguing here at THR, so we're done with this one.