Shootin a 223 in the rain, ? for you Pros

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I know as soon as them little 55gr 223 bullets hit the smallest, lightest, thinnest item it starts to tumble and go all over the place. How does the rain effect the bullet? I would imagine it would tumble as soon as it hit a drop of rain but dont know, anyone else know for sure?
 
Considering that there is quite a shockwave accompanying the bullet, I would suspect that most raindrops get pushed away and atomized before touching the bullet.
 
Beltfed, don't sweat it, the effect appears to be somewhere between "negligible", "infinitesimal" and "zero":http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=387849

ETA: The stabilization of a 55 grain bullet is only marginal when the rifling twist is extremely slow. In an appropriate rifling twist rate, it is no less stable in flight than any other bullet and will penetrate nose forward until disrupted.
 
Considering that there is quite a shockwave accompanying the bullet
The shock wave (compressed air) is behind a supersonic bullet. Rain drops would most likely not be affected by it if they were on a collision course with the bullet, as the bullet would get there before the shock wave does.
 
I'm not a pro by ANY means, but last time I was at the range, it started pouring. the bench was covered, but the range was not, of course. It poured very hard for about 30 minutes, and throughout all that, my point of impact never changed from before when it was sunny. I was using 55 gr and 75 gr bullets at 100-200 yards. I guess since the bullet is on the target within a millisecond, the rain doesn't have a chance to affect the bullet's path.
 
I forgot to add: I agree with Eshell. The only time I've ever heard of the 55gr bullet tumbling at the slightest touch of anything was when it debuted in Vietnam when the barrels were all 1:12" and insufficient to reliably stabilize the bullet
 
The speed the .223 is going to makes me think that even if it rains hard, the bullet is going so fast that if it hits the bullet, it will just do nothing.
I wonder if there is a video of a bullet flying in heavy rain, in slow motion.
 
Shot a match this past Saturday in heavy rain. Rained all day. No problems with anyone who shot .223.
 
Cool, thanks for the info guys, have wondered about that for a long time. I have taken a peice of paper and then put another directly behind it, 6" or a foot behind it didnt matter, when the 55gr went threw the first sheet, the bullet hit the second one sideways tumbling from just a peice of paper.
 
Rain Rain go away

There is no effect due to speed of bullet, spin, magic, and the odds that the one in a million drop that actually is in the right place at the right time will hit the front of your 3000 ft per second bullet.
 
As I understand it the "hollow point" actually creates an air bubble in front of the bullet. It aids in accuracy by making the tip of the bullet more aerodynamic than a man made tip.

I have no idea if this is BS or not, but it sounds good to me.
 
Ronnie, i think it would be less then one in a million that during a good rain that my 3,000FPS bullet would hit a rain drop before hitting the target at 300 yrds. Here in MO when it rains it rains.
 
blackhawk2000 said:
As I understand it the "hollow point" actually creates an air bubble in front of the bullet. It aids in accuracy by making the tip of the bullet more aerodynamic than a man made tip.

I have no idea if this is BS or not, but it sounds good to me.
LMAO, it is BS.

The sole advantage of a HP to accuracy is that the bullet base uniformity is most critical to accuracy and by putting the opening in front, the base can be perfectly formed.
 
EShell, can you elaborate a little more, not sure I understand. By base of the bullet do you mean opposite the HP in this case? You mention putting the opening in front allows the base to be perfectly formed, I guess I don't understand why the base can't be perfectly formed regardless of what is done at the front of the bullet?
 
I shot a deer from a box stand in a terrential downpour with my .223 he was at 200 +/- a few bullet hit where I was aiming
 
I'd worry more about wind than rain with regards to effects on the bullet.

I'd also be more worried about what rain is doing to my ability to see the target through a scope or irons.
 
bullockcm said:
EShell, can you elaborate a little more, not sure I understand. By base of the bullet do you mean opposite the HP in this case? You mention putting the opening in front allows the base to be perfectly formed, I guess I don't understand why the base can't be perfectly formed regardless of what is done at the front of the bullet?
During production, the bullet must be closed around the core "somewhere", either the front or the back. There are always tolerances and inconsistencies in any process. By putting the closure point in front, we end up putting the result of these inconsistencies up there too.

For example, we have a variable length and thickness jacket cup that will finish at varying lengths and provide varying resistances to the forming die mechanism. Intense QC keeps these variations very small, but, they continue to exists and the pursuit of accuracy is the pursuit of perfection, and nothing is perfect

The lead core weight/length/diameter can also vary slightly, which produces variations in the place the finished core ends up inside the jacket, and also providing varying resistance to the forming die. Varying resistance = varying shape.

By referencing everything to a closed bullet base and working forward, we force all of these inconsistencies forward, to the less important tip.

The minor jacket length variations translate to differing meplat length and shapes. Jacket thickness variations change the ogive slightly. Neither of these items are particularly important to short range accuracy, not when compared to the base. The newest fad of trimming meplats in long range bullets then addresses this front end inconsistency, and sorting match bullets by bearing length minimizes the effects of ogive position.

Core length and diameter variations result in a difference in where the front of the inserted core end up. The hollow point design leaves a gap between the end of the core and the front of the jacket, so the effect of this minor core variation is lessened.

If we began forward and worked back toward the base, all of these variations will show at the end where we would finish. Core length differences will influence the way the jacket is rolled over the end of the bullet. Jacket length differences will change how much jacket ends up rolled around, as will jacket thickness differences. All of these minor (taken alone) variations will work to make the bases inconsistent, and again, the base is much more critical to the bullet's accuracy potential than the nose.

As a result, FMJ bullets are notoriously less accurate than soft point or hollow points. The only FMJ match bullet I'm aware of is Norma's 6.5/130, and "nobody" actually shoots these things in competition.

Close range (100/200/300 yard) benchrest competition, the most demanding on the equipment's absolute accuracy levels, use a flat base HP bullet exclusively. This is because the flat base is easier to form consistently than the boattail and provides a relatively longer bearing surface to weight ratio.

Long range (600/1,000 yard) benchrest competition, only slightly less demanding on absolute equipment accuracy, but more demanding of bullet performance and uniformity, uses boattail HP bullets exclusively. This is because the boattail, while slightly less precise, works better to negate the more severe effects of environmental factors. The more aerodynamic boattail has less drag and both drops less and is pushed by the wind less. Less overall drop & drift also means that minor variations in velocity and wind speed/direction changes also have less effect.

With the current 100 yard BR record at less than .1" and groups less than .2 are quite common, and the 1k BR record at around 1-1/4" with groups less than 4" quite common, accuracy standards are indeed high. Competition is fierce, and if FMJs showed any promise, or rather, if FMJs were not so markedly and consistently inferior, these would be the bullet of choice, but, they're not.
 
strat81 said:
I'd worry more about wind than rain with regards to effects on the bullet . . . .
Absolutely, and the variation in barometric pressure (density altitude) that usually accompanies a rainy spell has an influence second only to wind.
 
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