Shooting .45 without reloading

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Lee makes a press sold with their manual for $31 at MidWay. I bought one when it was on sale for $28 (to supplement my other presses). Buy a Lee 4 die set $40 and it comes with a powder dipper and shell holder. Now all you need is a $12 Auto Prime, $3 shell holder for it and components. $86 gets you reloading basics, $100 gets you powder, primers and bullets and any range will generally have you swimming in brass.
 
I reload .45ACP for about 3 bucks a box of 50....I cast bullets too though.
Make friends with your local tire dealer -- buy your tires from him, go back to him for balencing and re-alignment. And casually mention that you'll take a few hundred pounds of use wheel weights off his hands.

I have a Lee 6-cavity mould for the 230 grain tumble lube design -- and it's no trick to cast a thousand bullets at a session.
 
One of the better deals we have at my work is the Federal American Eagle .45 ACP 250 round pack for $109.99. I usually sell them 2-3 at a time and one guy in particular comes in every month to buy a box. Once in awhile they will give out a 10% ammo coupon out and I'll have guys lined up to buy the stuff.
 
I will only pay $15-$16 a box for .45acp and my local shop has it at that price most times and if not WalMart usually does.
.40 is only $1-$2 a box cheaper at $14
Of course 9mm is $10 a box but i don't own a gun in that caliber. But im considering it as i want a pocket gun, But it looks like a .380 may win out as ammo is available now and only $13-$14 a box. So the extra cost of ammo is worth having a smaller gun.

My local shops ad and they do sell online:
http://www.vanceoutdoors.com/
http://www.vanceoutdoors.com/flyer/flyer.pdf
 
45 acp Factory vs reloading

I have reloaded 45acp for about 55 years. I agree with casting bullets a box costs about 3 dollars not including the overhead, electricity and your time doing it.
used reloading equipment is cheap and very plentiful. My original reload press, dies,powder measure, powder thrower was produced by or purchased from Herters' in Waseca, MN. YOu can load 9mm and 45 quite cheaply and 9mm brass is left by most shooters at the range. 1000 45acp cases will last a long time. I am still shooting 45acp's I reloaded in 1997 and in another year will have to break out the press once again.
a box of 22 rimfire is about a buck sixty here. so think about it, whatever floats your boat. be safe:neener:
 
I'm poor yet I can afford to shoot a .45acp in fact it's been cheaper than shooting my .380acp

.380 ammo is clearly quite expensive now for what you get, likely inflated due to massive demand for this caliber that's almost exclusively used for concealed carry where having a tiny gun that's easy & comfortable to conceal trumps stopping power. We've all seen plenty who mock 9mm Luger as inadequate to stop a bad guy, so .380 (aka 9mm Short) is surely a joke to that crowd.

I can only guess that Arizona allowing concealed carry with no permit for the last 3 months has further increased .380 ammo demand. Unlike Alaska & Vermont, Arizona has a huge population and they generally lack the advantage of wearing a parka that could hide a 1911. I'm guessing something like a Ruger LCP & similar tiny guns (in .380) are wildly popular with folks who want to hide a gun while wearing shorts & t-shirt.

American Rifleman did a cover story on .380 pistols about 10 months ago and one reader got his reply published in which he asked if they noticed any problem with such an article, specifically that .380 ammo had been an endangered species for the last couple years.

I recall Gun Tests magazine also publishing a review of some .380 guns this year and also commenting on how they had trouble just getting enough .380 ammo to conduct their tests.
 
.380 ammo is clearly quite expensive now for what you get, likely inflated due to massive demand for this caliber that's almost exclusively used for concealed carry where having a tiny gun that's easy & comfortable to conceal trumps stopping power. We've all seen plenty who mock 9mm Luger as inadequate to stop a bad guy, so .380 (aka 9mm Short) is surely a joke to that crowd.

I can only guess that Arizona allowing concealed carry with no permit for the last 3 months has further increased .380 ammo demand. Unlike Alaska & Vermont, Arizona has a huge population and they generally lack the advantage of wearing a parka that could hide a 1911. I'm guessing something like a Ruger LCP & similar tiny guns (in .380) are wildly popular with folks who want to hide a gun while wearing shorts & t-shirt.

American Rifleman did a cover story on .380 pistols about 10 months ago and one reader got his reply published in which he asked if they noticed any problem with such an article, specifically that .380 ammo had been an endangered species for the last couple years.

I recall Gun Tests magazine also publishing a review of some .380 guns this year and also commenting on how they had trouble just getting enough .380 ammo to conduct their tests.

Actually im one of "those guys" who feels a 9mm is inadequate as a main carry weapon, With the .380 close behind.
I like the .380 as its actually pretty powerful when your trading power off for size. I wouldn't have felt that way last year until i bought a .380

Of course a 9mm is adequate as a main gun, But i feel you can get more powerful guns in the same size so that train of thought usually pushes 9mm into the back up gun role in my mind.

So i do like the .380 and 9mm, But in the roles of a back up gun. Or as a main gun when pocket carry is all you can do.

Im a .45acp guy which this thread is about, So you can see why my views on smaller calibers is skewed compared to actual knowledge. Of course a .380 and 9mm is a fine SD calibers, Just not for me. But i do need a pocket gun so i will soon be buying one of those calibers to go along with my main carry full sized 1911.

It sounds like im lucky to be able to buy $15 a box .45acp locally, But Walmart has that everywhere also so i dont see an issue of availability.

Thats alot better than the $20 a box price if you was lucky to find it 6 months ago. My big beef is .40 costs is just as high as .45 now with a big jump over 9mm costs.

But to stay on topic, Even if it went back to $20 or even $30 a box ill still carry .45acp as my main caliber. I just wont be able to practice as much.

Or id start reloading, Id do that now if space wasn't an issue.
 
Wal-Marts around here are stocked fully with Winchester White Box. .45 costs 32 cents a round and 9mm is about 25 cents a round. People who reload never seem to factor the time value of their labor. (for example if it takes 1 hour to reload 100 rounds and your time is worth $20.00 per hour that would mean that the labor cost would be 20 cents per round. If your costs of components is 20 cents per round that would mean that the true cost of your reloads would be 40 cents each. Compare that to Wal-Marts cost of 32 cents per round and it is cheaper to buy your ammo.) Remember that you also have time invested in gathering your empties and cleaning the used brass.
 
I was going to be a smart aleck and point out that most .45s are auto-loading pistols (except those western movie .45s with endless cylinder capacity). Neither of them need manual reloading.

at first look I thought he ment without stopping to reload I pictured a pistol with like a three foot long stick mag hanging out

I have seen 50 round magazines offered for the .45 Auto, makes the gun look like a walking stick handle. I think those are pure novelty items. I have trouble keeping a ten shot mag working for my .45.
 
Yeah without reloading its very expensive to rip off rounds at nearly $20 a box. If you buy bulk primers and bullets you can reload for about $5 - $6 a box. Basic reloading equipment for .45 will run you about $130 - $140 tops. When your saving $15 a box you will recover your investment very quickly. Also reloading equipment for just one pistol round can be very small and if you are a bit crafty you can even make it portable if space is an issue.
 
I'm poor yet I can afford to shoot a .45acp in fact it's been cheaper than shooting my .380acp

Really? I thought it'd be the other way around.

Boxes of 50 of .380 Auto are $11.95 here http://www.ammunitiontogo.com/index.php/cName/380-auto-fmj-ammo

Boxes of 50 of .45 (FMJ of course) are $17.95 unless you are willing to use Tula ammo in which case it's a few bucks cheaper.

Add about $3 per box for shipping if you order enough.
 
if it takes 1 hour to reload 100 rounds and your time is worth $20.00 per hour that would mean that the labor cost would be 20 cents per round.

A thing, including an hour of your time, is worth what a willing buyer will offer and a willing seller will accept. While you may be offered $20 an hour for the time you spend on the job, has anyone offered you $20 an hour for the time you spend sleeping? Or bathing? Or eating?

Now, is anyone willing to offer $20 for the specific hour you spend reloading?

Until you have an offer for that hour, it has no value at all.
 
Using Nosler JHP bullets at $40/250 I can load .45ACP for about .23 per round. I don't spen much time on cleaning brass I just dump it in the tumbler, add media and flip the switch. Using a single stage press and 4 dies (crimping separately) I can turn out 100 rounds in about 35-40 minutes.

The difference is when I get done there is no question in my mind about POI vs. POA, I don't worry about double charges or quality control and I've got what amounts to premium SD ammo for $11.50/50 round box. WWB it ain't!
 
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