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I love to take my (little ) dog to different dogs parks to play with his buddies. I was just wondering if my dog was being attacked by a pitbull would I have the right to shoot the vicious dog? I sure hope I'm never in the postion to do this..but was wondering if I would be arrested? The parks I go to are usaully in the city limits ( wash state )

I would hate to see my little guy being lock jawed by a pitbull. This action would ONLY be acted if I felt it was the only chance to save him. Thanks in advance for any opinons or comments.
 
fact is, if a good pit dog gets ahold of him, its too late.

a pit dog man would know how to get him off though, without a gun.

its a device called a breaking stick, and its not made to hit the dog. its a simple lever with a rubber sleeve used to open the dogs jaws.

you would probably be arrested for shooting the pit.

the best advice here is dont let it happen in the first place.


if the is a pitdog there, dont put your dog there.
 
Pit bulls are usually really sweet dogs, despite the nasty reputation they have. I'd say it isn't something you'd much have to worry about unless your dog likes to pick fights with other dogs.

Even if you don't get arrested and/or charged with animal cruelty, you would be getting sued by the owner in a heartbeat regardless.
 
Dogs parks are a sensitive issue. Someones dog is a family member or like a kid to them, you would probably be arrested or shot by the dogs owner for trying that.
When you take your dog into a dog park you are assuming all responsibility for what may happen, you introduced your dog to an area with other dogs running loose and regardless of how much you wish it not to be, into a situation where the pack makes the rules, and primative behaviors are normal.
Dont believe the hype over pitbulls, any medium sized working breed of dog is exactly the same physically as a pitbull, in fact many medium and all large sized dogs have more powerful jaws because the jaws are longer providing more leverage.
Pitbulls have way too many old wives tales from people who know absolutely nothing about them. Pitbulls are very very easy to train, they want nothing more than to satisfy their owners, so bad behavior from a pitbull is a result of what the owner trained them to do.
Truthfully 1 of my 2 dogs (husky) has corrected many former fighting and bait pitbulls than any other breed at a local dog park which resorted to what they knew before, these were locally rescued through the humane society which adopts former fighting dogs out and does not inform the new owner of the dogs background. The new owner takes the unknown new dog to a park with other dogs and a fight happens. Most dog fights in parks are broken up by the other owners in a second or two (at least where we go).
Pitbulls are used in urban dog fighting for a few reasons, the primary reason is they are small and cheap to keep, therefore you can jam 65 of them in your basement and the neighbors dont know. A large dog would require more room to exercise, and alot more food, alot more money, so they are avoided. In fact aside from urban areas in a few countries all other fighting dogs are large breeds, much bigger and stronger.
I leave my pistol in the car at the dogpark, Ive had a few situations with irrate owners over normal dog behaviors, so being cool headed is best. Ive broken up many dog fights over the last 3 years or more, aside from extremely rare situations almost all dogs stop the second one shows submission unless someone spent the entire dogs life training it to ignore these cues and continue to attack.
You would be arrested for a whole long list of crimes unless the dog attacking yours drew blood in a large amount and would not stop after a few minutes of attacking.
If your that woried about someone elses dog, then avoid the dogpark. Pitbulls are not bad, dont listen to the lies.
 
I would think the simplest solution to this problem would be to get another dog of the same size and let them be buddies in the back yard.

IMO dog parks are trouble waiting to happen
 
I'm with Flyinbryan. Let someone else find out whether or not the pits at the park are well-behaved gentle ones or neglected aggressive ones. If you look at this from a practical self-defense point of view, if you know there is going to be trouble somewhere, you don't take your gun and go anyway, you don't go there in the first place. And to you who don't want me to believe the hype about pits, too bad. I see a pit off the leash I'm immediately to condition yellow. I'll let you argue what percentage of them are fine, or whose fault it is they are dangerous, ask a homeowner insurance adjuster whether or not they are more dangerous than other breeds.

In Utah, animals are strict liability. The animal never gets the benefit of the doubt, and the owner is flat liable for everything their animal does. If you dog bites a BURGLAR, you are in the wrong, even if you would have been allowed to shoot the same burglar. Where this gets grey quickly is "My animal vs YOUR animal". If you have a dog, then the accusations will start flying over whose dog did what first. Again, I just wouldn't go to the park in the first place.
 
the worst dog i've ever known for fighting other dogs is mine. minnie mouse is a lab husky and bears constant watching with other dogs especially if they are near her family or in her territory. when she runs off shes supposedly fine with other dogs she meets. she doesn't get to run off often and i rarely take her out where there are other dogs. she will listen to me and break off aggressive behavior but so far i'm the only one. the guy next door thought i was kidding about warning him about her and telling him to kick her off his pits if they tangled. then he saw how she went after a coyote in the yard. hes a believer now. i've seen one or 2 mean pits but they were always an owner problem.minnie mouse looks more lab but when she fights shes all husky.breaks a front leg then gets the throat. not people aggressive at all shy as can be but she demands to be the alpha dog . don't let your fear of pitbulls let you miss some dog like mine that "looks sweet"
 
mljeckard-

Your willful ignorance and fear of a dog, showing no signs of aggression, at a dog park and therefore most likely not an aggressive animal, is probably not a legal justification for your drawing your firearm in city limits.

Your waving a firearm around in the dog park might, however, be legal justification for your being shot, depending on what, exactly, you're doing at the time.

People with concealed firearms do need to remember a few things:

1. You're not the only person in the world carrying a gun.
2. Someone who draws a gun not clearly in self-defense is a lethal threat to innocent people and is risking being shot, without warning.
3. Doing stupid things with guns is bad for all of us who support RKBA, and therefore doesn't merit any sympathy.

You refer to "pit bull" as a breed. However, no such breed exists. At least learn a little about dogs, since you clearly fear them -- and learn something about some breeds that have different-shaped noses but can pose a greater threat to you.

Reading dog communication is also a good thing: I was once (stupidly) almost bitten by a Golden Retriever because I ignored its body language, whereas I was also charged by a Doberman at full-speed -- he stopped, leaned on my leg, and whimpered until I scratched him behind the ears. My "pit bull" -- a dog born at the pound, not a papered dog of any sort -- will sit in the back of my Jeep, grin, wag her tail, and beg people to pet her -- many do, but some are afraid of her just because she looks like "one of those dogs". My Vizsla, OTOH, a beautiful purebred hunting dog that nobody seems worried about approaching, would likely attack and injure you badly if you stuck a hand in.

If someone is afraid of dogs, any kind of dogs, it's good to learn something about dogs -- not breeds, but dogs. All dogs are the same species, and warrant similar respect and caution, especially if you don't know the individual dog.

Furthermore, a working bull dog of any breed (you will probably NEVER see one in a dog park, and seldom out in public), as well as some dogs like Catahoulas, are bred to ignore pain. That means you'd better know how to shoot to stop. Wounds -- even ultimately fatal wounds -- may not stop an animal that doesn't shrink from pain. And some working shepherd dogs can run across a street, leap, and have you flat on your back bleeding, before you could unholster a gun. If you can't anticipate that, you're SOL.
 
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Depends entirely upon your state and locality.

In Ohio, you're allowed to shoot a dog to protect yourself, but not a dog, since the dog is considered property.

On the other hand, if you present a reasonable argument that you were afraid for your own safety as well, the odds of you being prosecuted are small. In fact this happened not that long ago and the person defending himself and his dog was not prosecuted. All concerned tend to take a dim view of people who don't properly control their dogs, especially "dangerous" breeds. At least that's usually the case in Ohio.
 
reading dog body language is good! as a young dumb man i assumed that i could approach a momma dobies pups. she took exception and took my head in her mouth and gave a shake. thankfully a gentle shake. she lefy teeth imprints on me didn't draw blood since i was so scared i didn't resist or pull back. the folks there erroneously thought i was brave as heck guy who knew how to handle that kinda situation. i didn't set em straight for a couple years and nearly had to change my shorts. i loved that dobie since as far as i was concerned she took pity on me and spared my life. we got along great for years but i never again crowded a dog
 
In WA, I believe you are justified in shooting animals if they threaten your livestock, which I believe also includes your pets.
 
I never said anything about pulling a gun just because I saw a dog. You can call it ignorance if you want, it's not like I've never known pit bulls before.Any dog off leash is a threat, and you know what, I'm going to worry more about a pit bull, American terrier, or any of the related breeds more than a lab or retriever. I don't suffer political correctness among humans, I'm certainly not about to start lending it to canines. I never said they were a separate species. I know the difference between a species and a breed. If I have a neighbor move in, and they have a pit bull living through the fence from my kids, I'm going to keep a closer eye on it than I would a lab. YOU DO WHATEVER YOU WANT.

Control your dog. Train your dog. Regardless of breed. I might well go through my whole life without having a need to draw my gun against a human, but I already have against dogs, and I see a likelihood I will have to do it again. You saying that all dogs are created equal makes just as much sense as saying certain profiles of people aren't more dangerous than others.
 
I don't suffer political correctness among humans, I'm certainly not about to start lending it to canines.

Word !
 
An unprovoked attack on my dog is the same, IMO, as an attack on a family member and deadly force is justified.

Quite a bit of testosterone in the air tonight isn't there?

I've said it before (worded a little differntly) & I'll say it again if you deliberately put your self in a position where you KNOW a strong likelyhood of trouble exists then you deserve what ever you get.

Dog parks are NOT about dogs they exist so the owner can feel good about letting Fido play with all his "freinds" . If your dog never sees another dog park again he won't have a clue that he's not seeing it.

If you're that concerned with your dog's safety that you're actually considering discharging a firearm in the middle of a crowded park....
wait for it.....

STAY HOME
 
mljeckard-

Your willful ignorance and fear of a dog, showing no signs of aggression, at a dog park and therefore most likely not an aggressive animal, is probably not a legal justification for your drawing your firearm in city limits.

that seems a little harsh man.

You refer to "pit bull" as a breed. However, no such breed exists.

by the way, "pit bull" is in fact the most common term used for the american pitbull terrier, which is indeed, a real breed of dog. (at least according to the united kennel club (ukc), as well as the american dog breeders association (adba)

we sold colby dogs exclusively for 20 years. we never sold a pitbull that wasnt a colby, and we never sold a pitbull that wasnt registered by the adba.

http://www.colbypitbull.com/

i dont think i ever referred to them as " hey, wanna come over and see our american pitbull terriers?"

we always just called them pitbulls, and even more commonly "pitdogs"
 
According to the CDC the pitbull is 22 breeds of dog for their bite statistics included are boxer, American Bulldog, and 20 others.
In the years Ive socialized my dogs at dog parks and have been around dogs before that, there has been far more dog aggressive Golden retrievers, and boxers than any other breed period, this has to do with bad breeding, and being a breed so numerous and popular that breeders breed anything they can to sell more of them with no regard to quality. The same thing happened years ago with dalmations after the movie 101 dalmations came out.
Next, American pitbull terriers, just like any other breed in the world cannot lock their jaw.
According to the insurance industry there are a few to several breeds that are on the watch list to assign higher insurance rates to owners. The highest on that list is the Chow (some insurance companies will not cover you to have one, period), next is the Rottweiler, next is the pitbull and German shepard. Usually the companies just assign higher rates to these owners, but some state laws require higher rates to even husky owners.
The breed does not matter, any equal sized weighted dog breed is identical to any other equal sized and weight breed of dog period physically. All dogs are the same species and were all reclassified in 1993 to a species name that in a legal sense could all of make them illegal in some states. Why, in 1993 the domesticated dog was reclassified as Cani lupus familiaris (the domesticated gray wolf, of which it is 2 tenths of a percent different genetically.
If you shoot a dog defending your livestock or property on your own land you are justified, if you shoot a dog in a public place to defend your property or livestock you can be arrested for it, expect to go to court and possibly face felony charges, also you will be sued by the owner of the other dog, and other people present.
Many dog parks require you to fill out a registration form, if you sign the form as indicated you agree to the townships rules and regulations, which you fully understand that you are bringing your dog into a park and assume all responsibility for what dangers happen. If you do not sign the registration you and your dog are trespassing, and are subject also to fines in addition including $300 just for not being registered and being there.
If you choose to pull a gun on another dog for getting into a scuffle with yours at a public or private dogpark you are subject to all kinds of legal problems, and may possibly face felony charges for it. Expect to be hit with a laundry list of charges that you will need a good lawyer just to deal down to a simple felony plea. Then you wont be pulling a gun legally on anyone.
 
Those laws vary from state to state. In MY state, animals are a STRICT LIABILITY. The animal never gets the benefit of the doubt. The owner is completely responsible for anything their dog does. You don't have to wait until a dog BITES you to defend yourself from it any more than you have to wait for a human to shoot at you before you defend. I have shot a dog in defense of another person. There have been several well-publicized cases in Utah lately of poorly controlled dogs being shot by CCW holders and homeowners. In all of these cases, no charges were filed against the shooter, many times charges were filed against the dog owner.
 
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