Shooting high pressure loads out of Marlin 1894 .44 Mag for practice?

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I shoot my Marlin 1894 about 200 times a year. I like to shoot my hunting load (240 gr. Hornady XTP over 24 grains of H110) because it is very accurate and it allows me to use the point of aim I'd use during hunting for long distance shots with my open sights. The published pressure for this load is: 36,200 CUP. I heard that Lever guns are less durable than bolt actions when it comes to high pressure loads, is there any truth to this? Am I harming my gun by shooting max loads?
 
That sure as heck is not excessive use, and you're within the design range of the rifle with your loads. I put a couple hundred of the same bullet with a near max of 2400 through mine plus a thousand 240g cast/Unique yearly and expect to pass it on to my son as good as always.
 
I heard that Lever guns are less durable than bolt actions when it comes to high pressure loads, is there any truth to this?

Lever guns are fine durable pieces of machinery when used within their design limits.

You exceed the design limits of a Bolt action, or a lever gun, and the metal is going to stretch. You stay within the design limits, then the durability is determined by other things, basically the "robustness" of the parts.

You can expect that things that have a lot of screws and straps, those things will unscrew and work loose. Lever guns have a lot of screws, so you will need to watch them so they don't fall out.

The cowboy action shooters can tell you which lever actions can be cycled a lot without parts breakage. I am certain that old established designs, like the Marlins and Winchesters can take a lot of use. Modern metals have made these actions even stronger. But there are limits.

In my opinion, the M98 Mauser is one of the most durable robust firearms mechanisms ever built.

99% of lever actions are rear locking mechanisms. Most bolt guns are front locking. A rear locking action stretches more than a front locking action, and thus a cartridge in a rear locker gets stretched more. It is the case that is the weak link in any action. When the cartridge breaks, all hell breaks loose, regardless of action.

Don't worry about your Marlin. Shoot loads within factory pressures, tighten things that get loose, lubricate parts that need lubrication, and replace any parts that break. When your barrel has lost its rifling, it will be time to rebarrel.

Which at 200 rounds a year should be 25 years. Assuming FMJ's and a 5000 round barrel life.
 
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Reaffirmed what I was thinking: Overreaction from couch comandos. I kinda enjoy the kick of a full power .44 Mag, it's the reason I don't only shoot my .22's. Just out of curiosity, what is a max load for something like a 240 grain JHP and H110?
 
michaelmcgo said:
Just out of curiosity, what is a max load for something like a 240 grain JHP and H110?

Didn't you already answer this in your initial post? :confused: 24.0 grains is the published max from Hodgdon and it runs 36,200 CUP.
 
Cosmoline said:
The 94 is actually weaker than the 92, and I did run into troubles shooting cranked up .45 Colts out of mine years ago. I wouldn't push much beyond the pressure of a .30-30.

Cosmo, did you catch that he's talking about a Marlin 1894, not a Winchester?
 
Sorry, by max load I meant pressure, not grains of powder, before I passed what Marlin recommends for the 1894.
I was wondering how far from the top I was shooting 36,200 CUP loads.
 
From what Google tells me, the SAAMI maximum pressure for .44 Remington Magnum is either 36,000 PSI or 40,000 CUP.
 
Thanks JesseL. Looks like I'm safe. Thanks for the reassurance guys.
 
I conducted load testing with W296 and H110 in my Marlin. After reviewing my data, I came to the conclusion that there was no significant difference between the powders.

I only tested 240 grain bullets. I really do not know how well a Marlin will shot heavier bullets, as in the recommended 300 grain bullets. The barrel twist is something like 1:38". That may be way too slow for bullets heavier than 240 grains.


H110/W296 shot well.


M1894 Marlin, Ballard Barrel

240 Nosler JHP 24.0 grs W296 WLP Fed cases
23-Mar-05 T = 65° F
Ave Vel = 1725
Std Dev = 7
ES = 21
Low = 1715
High = 1736
N = 5


240 Nosler JHP 24.5 grs W296 WLP Fed cases
23-Mar-05 T = 65° F
Ave Vel = 1752
Std Dev = 12
ES = 28
Low = 1735
High = 1763
N = 5


240 Nosler JHP 24.0 grs H110 WLP Midway cases
23-Mar-05 T = 65° F
Ave Vel = 1710
Std Dev = 3
ES = 9
Low = 1705
High = 1714
N = 5



240 Nosler JHP 24.5 grs H110 WLP Midway cases
23-Mar-05 T = 65° F
Ave Vel = 1745
Std Dev = 12
ES = 45
Low = 1723
High = 1768
N = 10


240 Rem JHP 24.0 grs H110 WLP Midway cases
23-Mar-05 T = 65° F
Ave Vel = 1719
Std Dev = 10
ES = 29
Low = 1705
High = 1734
N = 10
 
Slamfire1, thanks for that data. Good to see actual speeds with loads I use every now and again.
 
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