shooting in the snow

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Took a couple of my young friends shooting today. I believe they are ages 10 and 12. While I never complain about shooting on those sunny, 80* days, I find most of the learning occurs on days like today. The first was reconfirming that it's always good to keep white AND black spray paint for the targets. White target on snowy ground during heavy snow would have been pretty challenging. The second thing I learned is that I hope it's not snowing during a stage where I have to retain my brass as it sure takes time to find those suckers and fish them out with gloves on!

The third thing is that while I've shot this rifle many times in the rain, and had little problems with water on the glass, the blowing snow seemed attracted to it and I need a good solution to keep the snow off the lens (particularly the ocular) while I'm shooting.

A fourth is that I'm a lot better mil-ranging targets in the snow, oddly enough. Perhaps the pink-on-snow is just easier to see than my normal white-on-dirt/grass.

The targets:
12x12" plate and a 10x10" plate. (after peppering with pistols, but prior to using the real guns)
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The rifle:
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Action:
Both boys (and their older brother) had 1st round hits on the 12" plate from 500 yards in the snow, with pretty high wind (a bit over 10mph, but half value). At the end of this video, the spotter is describing being able to see the bullet trace for the first time. Several hits (not shown in video) were also made with the AR15 in the pic using a 10x NF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqEpZNmB08s

And shooting tannerite. You can't really hear it though since it's a long way off, but the suppressor sounds good. I'm not surprised the iphone can't pick up the ding of a hit on steel 500 yards away, but I haven't figured out why it didn't pick up a half pound of tannerite at under 200 yrds. (edit: I've had reports that you can hear it with better speakers with more base. Perhaps the problem is my laptop, not my iphone)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ETaEZqFBsY

You'll never see me discourage someone from practicing shooting positions other than prone, but I was amazed when he managed to hit a golf-ball-sized balloon filled with tannerite at roughly 190 yrds from this unconventional position.
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Cool, I made my first attempt at 300 yard shooting, it did well if you ask me.
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Here's my Howa M-1500 .308 sporter, the barrel looks thinner than it really is, but the rifle weighs 10.5 lbs as it is.

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Taliv, any secret tips on the blowing snow vs. scope you can pass along? With early season here there's rarely much need and once the white stuff flies the shotguns get fielded. One more thing I've yet to give extra thought to, your solutions would be a great start.
 
skyler, i wish I had a solution! I hardly ever get to shoot in the snow, since I live in TN and the alignment of snow and vacation is rare. I just tried to keep my lens cap covered when i wasn't looking at a target, but that didn't help all that much. We have a lot of folks here who live in Alaska; maybe some of them will chime in.
 
I grew up in Ohio and shot plenty in the snow back then mostly with iron sights had the same issue with snow sticking to the lens. These were cheap Simmons and Tasco scopes.

I would think that a extended sunshade or anti glare device would keep snow off of the objective lens better.
 
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Scope covers are helpful, clean dry soft cloth like a cotton diaper to wipe the scope as needed, and this is why see through mounts were invented.
Sun shades may help too as well as a brimmed cap to keep snow off your glasses and face. Never breathe on the scope. Snow is common in deer season here in Mn.
 
I don't really have much choice here in Alaska. Those flipping lens covers are pretty handy for when you aren't shooting, and if they are clear, you can still shoot through them pretty well.

-20 degrees on this day...

(That's below freezing, not below freezing FYI)
 

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I look forward to when we get some rain, and a deep freeze. My "Maine" shooting spot it a large DOT owned sandpit.... It is hard enough getting all of the brass from the sand... but oh boy... the soft loose powder is TERRIBLE... once the snow is crusty though, it is nice and easy to get the brass... downside is the temps are so low you can only stand it for so long!
 
Cool thread. :)

In my experience, 3" sunshades serve well especially in winter with bright sun. On overcast days, they serve nicely to help keep rain drops off of my glass, and even to keep snow flakes off.

Geno
 
taliv,

Snow on the lens,

Take Pantyhose and stretch it over the bell housing and hold it in place with a real thick rubber band and do it tightly. Have extra rubber bands, they will brake do to the cold. As it gets wet, and snows up, just rotate the hose.

If you let the hose touch the barrel and drape over, you will not have a POI shift do to how light in weight it is.

Oh, it works for anti flash back also in the summer time

John
 
JB:

Would them be support-top, or trim and thin nylons?! :neener:

Sorry, I couldn't resist the urge to mess with you. :eek:

Geno
 
Looks like you ended up taking a couple spacers out of that A4. That rifle is nasty, especially with that S&B mounted. I would have to go orange over pink though. :)
 
Jd it is 260AI

The objective lens is ok. Sun shade and ard will solve that. It is the ocular that was the prob with wind coming from behind me.

Long cards are my dope for different temps. Blue=30* green=50 yellow=70 red=90. They are front and back of two cards. The other purple card is a mil-size table with target sizes as columns and mil-sizes as rows. Gives range in meters. I made a couple sets; one set per load I shoot. I zip tied a small kery ring to scope ring and laminated the cards and punched a hole to put them on the key ring. I'll try to get a closeup of it later

Yep took a couple spacers out. Was just too long to get behind

I will try the hose trick when I get a chance
 
Or if you're a Snow-Chicken.... (Don't like below zero) laugh.gif you can always build a heated one of these with a firing port and tunnel.

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Coldest we've shot in so far was around 15 below.

Very cool rifle, taliv, and great shooting in that environ!

Latigo
 
I need to build me a covered shooting shed like that, firing prone works for me as long as I am not getting wet. I live and hunt in Alaska, never heard of the stockings idea on a scope though, biggest problems occur when you bring in your weapon from the cold into a warm humid room, thats when it gets all fogged up. I just use scope covers, a longer sun shield is a good idea.

I have a hundred yard range out in my backyard with a hill for a backstop but my neighbors still complain about the noise, I have a lot of old big rig and junk loader tires at work, I was thinking of making a ten foot tunnel of tires to shoot through, and to suppress the sound a bit. The smallest truck tires are at least 2 feet in the inner diameter. Maybe pack some fiberglass insulation in them too.

I know it won't stop the supersonic crack but should help a bit.
 
I was most curious about the ocular lens. I've got a sunshade and flip open caps already. I guess the last time I fielded a scoped rifle in the snow the scope was probably too cheap for me to notice melted snow as it probably cleaned off the dirt and prints;-). That's the great thing about early muzzleloader season in Iowa, it almost never snows.

Anyway, short of a few sniper scopes I've seen, older IORs I believe that had a corrugated rubber tube extended to the eye is there anything anyone knows of on the market? What I saw reminded me of an accordion, likely to block out light. I guess I could just cut a section of that electrical tubing out, so long as I don't poke my eye out.
 
What speed you gettin out of that round taliv?

i have several loads. my fairly hot load is 3047 fps. I'm mostly shooting a slightly more accurate load that's about 100 fps slower.

zfk, that is a nice setup! the only problem with a building like that is it's not portable and I'd get bored shooting from the same spot all the time, since I like shooting at unknown distances. but for load testing etc it's a fantastic idea.
 
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