Shooting just for fun?

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Carl Levitian

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Okay, I'm an old fart, I openly admit that, and I realize times have changed a great deal since I started shooting 58 years ago with my first .22 rifle. I met my wife on a shooting range 41 years ago, and we've been shooting together ever since.

But it seems of late, that on the range where we are members, and on the local public ranges we sometimes go to just for a change, things are getting like a practice session for a Steven Segal or Mel Gibson movie. Super tactical all the way. Tactical guns, tactical lights on the guns, tactical clothing, and rapid fire as fast as the trigger can be pulled. It got bad enough at our range that the club passed a two second rule. At least 2 seconds has to pass between shots. Noise complaints from neighbors, range chewed up by stray shots, and safety concerns, let alone the distracting atmosphere to other shooters.

Most of this seems to be young men under 40ish, all have the black auto pistols, and almost all the shooters seem intent only on the combat aspect of shooting. How many rounds can be pumped into a man sized target at 7 yards?

My question; does anyone shoot anymore just for the sheer fun of plinking, or target shooting?

Like playing the game with your partner of who can bounce the golf ball to the 50 yard berm before the other?

Or putting the unbroken clay bird on the 50 yard berm and breaking it, and then make a game out of cleaning up the pieces. It gets interesting when it gets down to dime size pieces. Just fun. Everyone these days seem so intent on defending themselves from the evil horde that's coming to get them, like some mass paranoid thing. Heck, Karen and I are the only ones out there with rimfires. Everyone else has the black 9mm's, .40's and .45's. We even had one man, a grossly over weight guy in black tactical clothing come over to us and engage us in a conversation where he asked us why we always are shooting .22's. Told that we just like to shoot for the heck of it, he informed us that we need to be able to protect ourselves, and we need to practice with real firearms that have some knockdown power! Galling to say the least, not to mention that from the looks of the target on his lane, he could barely hit anything with that shiny Kimber 1911 on his hip. Is there some immanent Chinese paratrooper invasion I'm unaware of?

Yet another time, one guy comes over to us and admires our shooting, but then goes on about how it's obvious that we're new to shooting since we're still using .22's, and it was time to step up to a "real" gun, and we were welcome to try his HK something or other. Karen politely informed him that when she graduated high school in 1962, she was shooting in club competitions back home in Texas with her High Standard target pistol, and I had qualified expert with the M14 while I served in the army. He goes away and leaves us alone, which is what we want.

It seems to me that the whole gun world has gone bananas over the black guns and tactical shooting, and nobody shoots just for the fun of it anymore. Almost all the young guys seem to be imitating some Hollyweird action hero, and obsessing over double taps when the bad guys come through the door. Maybe living in a middle class neighborhood, and not having the local Hells Angels chapter mad at us, I can't relate. Nor do I think that Karen and I will be engaging any Colombian drug lords in the near future.

It's gotten to the point where it's become a PITA to go shooting. We try to fit our range sessions in on Tuesday or Wednesday mornings to have the range to ourselves, to avoid the unwanted advise from the concrete comando crowd.

But I wonder what happened to shooting as a hobby vs shooting as the obsession.

Carl.
 
+ a bazillion - glad to see someone else shares my view of things.

It's a shame, even on the shotgun sections of forums, where the only discussion seems to be about what tackycool crap to put on the pump gun and whether it should be slugs or buckshot to repel the zombie hordes

Thanks for bringing it out so eloquently!
 
Amen!

I don't plink - but I am a serious competitor in the precision pistol disciplines. Air pistol, free pistol, and black powder (percussion pistol, flint pistol, and revolver). Used to dabble in Olympic Rapid Fire. And the Duffer Brigade drives me up a wall. Not only are they poor marksmen, but they won't shut up! Constant jabbering to their buddies. Plus the occasional idiot trying to go down range while I've got a loaded gun in my hand.

If you read the early books on combat shooting, they all said the same thing - that you needed a solid foundation in the precision disciplines before even trying anything else. Pity the new shooters don't read.
 
I blame it on way too many action movies and video games. Today many of them seem more concerned with how much noise they can make than with were their bullets are hitting. Bump firing is a prime example of this...I know guys who brag they can do it but I have also watched most of their bullets chewing up the overhead.

I am 52 now but I can still out score 95% of our club members not only on slow fire competitions but on speed competitions as well. Several have asked me how I do so well and when I tell them all you have to do is be able to hit the target first then learn speed they shake their heads and go right back to the spray and pray school. A recent competition saw a stage with 40 steel targets. I shot 42 rounds and won that stage while I watched some guys shoot over 100 and still had a DNF because they ran out of ammo.

They want instant gratification and don't want to put in the hours pf practice needed to become good.
 
IDPA matches are fun for me. Your idea of fun might not be my idea of fun. You're delving into matters of taste.


Carl Levitian said:
It got bad enough at our range that the club passed a two second rule. At least 2 seconds has to pass between shots. Noise complaints from neighbors, range chewed up by stray shots, and safety concerns, let alone the distracting atmosphere to other shooters.

I'd be very upset at such a rule. 2 seconds between shots is a long time. A very long time.


Rather than pass an arbitrary rule, I'd rather see a rule in place that punishes anyone shooting a firearm beyond his ability to control it.

Noise complaints from neighbors? How does a neighbor know if 5 guys on the property are delivering shots 2 seconds apart, or one person is delivering his shots half a second apart? I reject that argument.

Distracting to other shooters? I don't even know how to respond to that comment.


If someone on my range is shooting beyond his ability to control the firearm, I will - and have - said something. It has nothing to do with a time limit between rounds. I've seen folks who could not control 1 round a minute.

If someone is simply blasting rounds downrange in an exercise to see how fast he can empty a magazine, I might let one or two go by before I say something. And this is at a club that promotes action-pistol shooting. Someone might be doing a magazine function check. Or trying out a new powder/bullet combination for an IPSC racegun. If the fellow decides to go through a hundred in that manner, I'll have a discreet conversation with him about it, and elevate it if I need to.


There are jerks everywhere. You can't avoid it. But I use subjective, not arbitrary criteria to evaluate someone's ability to safely shoot a firearm. I am very sensitive about allow people the freedom to train, and practice, their defensive shooting skills. If they can't do it at my club, where should they?
 
If the guys shooting black pistols at 7 yards were not having fun doing it, they wouldn't be doing it, despite whatever they might say about preparing for the Chinese paratrooper zombie invasion. My question is, why can't these type of people be honest with themselves about why they are shooting?

Fun can be had with centerfires too.
 
Also, yes, a "2 second rule" makes a range completely useless for me. Even a half decent reload is faster than that.
 
I love to shoot small groups with different firearms too. I don't give a poop about the uptight retired bullseye crowd in general though as to many take it waaay to seriously to often. There does also need to be controlled fun time at the ranges. Something to have friendly compitition over and a time set aside for young kids to have fun learning to shot and many ranges just don't allow that to happen.
The raaat-a-tat mall nija crowd do completly screw up a other wise good day of shooting for all.
 
But I wonder what happened to shooting as a hobby vs shooting as the obsession.

Marketing works. It's a $billions/year business. Firearms magazines and advertising are heavily aimed at tacticool gear these says. The manufacturers are obviously profiting, since we continue to see so much of this stuff. Add to that the need of so many young 'uns to be "cool" and part of the "in" crowd it's easy to understand the current obsession. So many people, including our firearms brethren, are easily led.

You and I shoot for fun. The upcoming generation looks at a different kind of fun. It's all good.

Live and let live. :cool:
 
I agree with both sides. I think it should be how well you control your weapon. Last weekend I was at a range (that seems to be run very well, unlike others I have tried) and they have a 1 second rule. I'm pretty sure I was breaking it and the range master came over, looked at my target, and didn't say anything. I wasn't all bullseye, but I was very much on target with my shoots. As for the tacticool people, they just need friends that know what they're doing to show them how dumb 98% of the "accessories" they put on their guns are. Then again, there friends may enable it. I don't really care one way or the other, as long as they're safe and hitting their target (which many can't seem to do...)
 
You hit the nail on the head in my personal opinion. I am only 18 but it's funny to see people my age and even older telling me that the Mosin-Nagant I'm about to buy isn't as effective of a combat weapon as one of their AR's (which are fine rifles when they don't have a million plastic doo-dads hanging off of them) and how I would surely be dead if I were in a firefight.

I like to plink as well and with cheap surplus ammo I'm not limited to using just a .22 (of course the .22's come out as well). Honestly, if somehow, someway a zombie invasion was occuring I don't think the zombies will care if their victims are dressed as mall ninjas or your average American. If they feel the need to wear a certain costume and spray fire from the hip with their barrel shrouds and evil detachable magazines then so be it; that's their right. I'm just curious as to what advantages they think they have over someone that has actually had some proffessional instruction that goes out their in jeans and a plaid button up shirt?
 
We need numbers in order to preserve our gun rights. Whichever way these people come to shooting (or collecting, etc.) is OK by me. Let's not be Fudds or traditionalists to the exclusion of the new blood.
 
Most of this seems to be young men under 40ish, all have the black auto pistols, and almost all the shooters seem intent only on the combat aspect of shooting. How many rounds can be pumped into a man sized target at 7 yards?

Apart from being unsafe, why do you care how other people shoot, what they shoot, or how they go about shooting? I'll continue shooting my black (like it matters the color, not sure why you specifically pointed out the most common pistol color) pistol at my target 7 yards out just as you can plink at can with your .22. I'll shoot my AR with a red dot while you shoot a benchrest rifle with a target scope. Why, because I find it fun, others find it fun, and because I can. Get over yourself please. Maybe the old age has gotten to you.

Just because somedays I feel like going out and blasting off a bunch of rounds with a handgun or AR doesn't make me any less a shooter then you. Sometimes it can be more fun the shooting my .22's. If it really bothers you that much then you are right. Just stop going to the range all together.

There is a reason that there are various different shooting sports and shooting disciplines. It is because people get enjoyment out of different things.
 
My question; does anyone shoot anymore just for the sheer fun of plinking, or target shooting?

Yes, I have a wide variety of fun, reactive targets. Many for my 22's.

Yet another time, one guy comes over to us and admires our shooting, but then goes on about how it's obvious that we're new to shooting since we're still using .22's

I notice many new shooters develop that attitude. It goes away with time once they discover how much of a learning tool the 22 is, not to mention that it is the epitome of cheap fun with firearms...so I try not to be too rude.

That being said, I also think the 2 second rule is silly. I also enjoy defensive shooting drills and scenarios.

Most of this seems to be young men under 40ish, all have the black auto pistols, and almost all the shooters seem intent only on the combat aspect of shooting. How many rounds can be pumped into a man sized target at 7 yards?

That is me, but there is more to it than that. I practice from 7 on out to farther ranges when I'm running drills. Once I started running drills, I had the most trouble at 7 yards because frankly, I never shot anything that close and I was unsure of how to aim. Stick around and after I run my drills, you'll see me break out the 22's and play some games with my kids. I spend a good deal of time running drills, but I also spend the same amount of time casually plinking afterwards because I get bored shooting holes in paper. I can plink with my black autopistol, too. :neener:
 
i plink, therefore i am. yeah--i shoot 7yds., 10yds, steel etc. etc. but what the heck. i reload 45acp, 45-70, 223 and soon to be 44mag. i got a pile of cheapo wally world federal 22's etc. that i shoot with my cz452, spikes, suppressed t/c contender and awc amphibian.

my idea of plinking can be hitting a spent shell at 100yds with a 22 and making it dance or whacking steel with a thump at the same distances with my 45-70 and banging balloons anywhere in between (all offhand). i am not tacticool nor an elitist--i just like to shoot. i do set up likely scenarios when i pop a few rounds with my 1911's--defensive stuff as offensive stuff is for the cops

i just have fun--and by the way--i ain't never seen a deer (or heard of a bg) that would wait while i sit at a bench, adjust a scope, assume proper grip, stance etc. i just use those crappy little plinking skills that i developed over the years to do what i have to do. :D
 
Man, I miss playing golf with my handguns! that is actually what sold me on handguns in the first place, tbh.

I do absolutely need something more challanging to do with my r700. At 100 yards nothing is challenging without some seriously adverse conditions.

OTOH, my ebil black rifle with irons does give me some fun times trying to see how accurate I can get it. Irons are a bit alien to me on rifles; I was born with a scope attached to my right eye!
 
Its all about fun for me and my family. As long as they remember safty is the 1st rule. Which they do. I only read the post of the OP ,so if offended any one-ok too.
We do challange each other. But we do not shoot at ground. To many rocks, even tho we have sand berms. I have seen to many richochets (sp) go every where. I have strung golf balls to soft balls with twine and even done bowling pins tied off a 2x4.
With brother in law and nephew its the 1911-40-9 in hand gun. Wife and kids its SA revolver and lever rifle. I have met many "this is what you need to do" types. .....I am hear, and we are here just for fun. We are safe. Go back to your own lane.
 
Carl is right and I take my daughter shooting during the week in the mornings so we don't have to deal with the noisy crowds the weekends have with their m-16's, AK, HK's and race guns.
I had one guy challenge me to a M-16 shoot at 100 yards he got mad because we were using the only 100 yard range sighting in a 22 rifle. I let him shoot first and and he got 3 rounds in the 7-9 rings I took his M-16 and chewed out the X for him. Poor Kid he didn't know I scored expert and have my name ingraved in my ROTC Battions Top Rifleman Trophy abet it was way back in 1986.
I miss the days before we got into all this Tatic shooting. It is fun and I have done it but some days I just want to come to the range with the kid and share in having some fun.
 
I spend a lot ot time practicing with my carry guns, but that's fun too. I just can't afford to take my old revolvers out that often. I'm retired so I do have the time, but .38 special, .357 mag., .45 LC's can get very expensive shooting just for fun. Once I get started I hate to stop. A couple of times a month at the most is all I can afford to shoot for "fun".
 
Yet another time, one guy comes over to us and admires our shooting, but then goes on about how it's obvious that we're new to shooting since we're still using .22's
Well, that's a load of crap, and the shooter without respect for the rimfires is revealing themself to be ignorant.

But the rest? Meh, punching paper from the bench doesn't appeal to many shooters, and as long as they're putting rounds into the backstop, who cares?
A 2 second rule (or any time constraint) doesn't make the range quieter or safer, volley fire from the kids' shooting group at my range sounds like a warzone, and they're shooting slowly and precisely, just a LOT of kids lighting off .22 rifles on the line.
If a bunch of 8-9 year old kids can not be distracted by that and the rain of rimfire brass, I don't think it is a valid concern for adults.

Like playing the game with your partner of who can bounce the golf ball to the 50 yard berm before the other?
Or putting the unbroken clay bird on the 50 yard berm and breaking it, and then make a game out of cleaning up the pieces.
Yep, those are fun, and they're fun at anything from 5 to 100 yards, and with almost any gun - I particularly like to shoot at old tennis balls hanging from a string at various distances, you can add challenge by moving further out, using a gun with more recoil, or just going faster and trying to pop the ball while it is swinging. For a real challenge, cut the string with your target pistol at 10 yards, shooters take turns after magazines are emptied.
Hang 1/2L water bottles from a string for longer range rifle, you can fill them with used-up targets or other junk to get them swinging when hit.
 
Partly a byproduct of the Obamagunrush. Newbs bought tacticool stuff by the pile so they can hold off the black helicopters (as long as those black helicopters aren't farther than 7 yards away and they're big enough that spray-n'-pray might be effective). :rolleyes:
Give 'em a while. Once the newness wears off they'll go back to doing...whatever or they'll settle down and learn.
I like shooting. I like shooting rubber duckies, clays, catalogues, all kinds of stuff. I hand draw targets of little birdies, fish, bugs, etc... and then shoot them full of holes because it makes things fun and interesting. Keep shooting and having fun, brother, you're setting a good example ;)
Cheers
 
I actually do both "combat" style and plinking in one. Why do I do it? Because its what I find to be most enjoyable and I can certainly hit the target better than most people I've seen at my shooting range.

I met my wife on a shooting range

Sir, I envy you!:D
 
This is why my kids first rifles were bolt actions.
Make each shot unique.

My Granddaughters first rifle will be a bolt too.

Semi-auto's have their place. But learn to shoot first

yeah, I'm old

AFS
 
I'm a younger guy and while I like to improve my ability to defend myself occasionally I still love to shoot 'just for fun'. Some of my favorite shooting days are just lugging around the Mosin Nagant and a tin of ammo :)
 
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